Posted on 08/26/2008 1:49:38 PM PDT by DTA
interesting
Clintons’ Kosovo precedent is capable of projection to the US Southwest and the movements demanding its cultural or worse divorcement from the US. Open borders, and a two-party permissiveness and passive support for separatist movements (La Raza is consulted by both parties) begs the question in the future. Where is Lincoln and his party when you need the support? The Union is seemingly up for grabs, and Kosovo is just as potentially seminal as the Kelo Decision has been to property rights.
That pretty much says it. NATO, with its sanctimonious and false self righteousness had no business in the Balkans. This proved that the intentions of NATO and its eastward expansion were not benign and harmless.
Sure Putin is a thug and a predator. But now he holds the winning hand. Without US muscle, NATO is nothing. They will do nothing.
In truth, good relations with Russia is more important than our relationship with any so called NATO allie. That's only my opinion. But there was no reason for this to occur, except for the ineptness of the West. This phony self righteousness and sanctimonious fantasy that we have the right to bring "democracy", even if it puts mortal enemies of civilization in power will kill us.
The more our leaders talk regarding this situation, the more they embarrass themselves. The empty huffing and puffing puts us in greater danger. Because meaningless statements eliminate credibility and invite aggression.
Serbia fully democratic? Isn't Serbia run by Socialists including the party of the mass-murderer Slobodan Milosevic himself? Does the party who got the most votes in the last election run Serbia?
Actually, TGJ, the Red-Yellow-Green (communist-EU-groveling quisling-muslim) coalition that now governs Serbia is the result of meddling by the US State Department, the EU, and Soros. The results of the fully-democratic vote of the Serbian people, as in many parliametary systems, could have resulted in any number of governing coalitions. But because of outside meddling, that is what they got.
I would have preferred to see a patriotic governnmet of Kostunica’s party with the Radicals. But what I (or you) want isn’t important. What’s really needed is NO MORE MEDDLING by ousiders in government processes in Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia, etc. with the purpose of encircling and eventually breaking up Russia, as Brzezinski (Obama’s and Carter’s advisor), Soros, and all the globalists have schemed about for years.
Breaking up Yugoslavia—and Serbia—was the first step in this evil scheme. It is Russia’s reaction to this scheme that is the reason for the Georgian incident, not just the “precedent” of “Kosovo independence”.
Real democracy means no such outside interference. And saving our civilization means reuniting its Orthodox and Roman Catholic/Protestant halves in partnership and equality!!!!
Seriously....what are you, 12 years old? Calling people “fools” and making statements like...
“You Serbs are Russias bitches so you better do what Vlad says or hell have to pimp-smack you. Know your role, punks.”
“Thats right, nobody gives a crap about your shitty little country. You are Russias friend and our enemy so we are glad now about what Clinton did to you. We feel stupid for ever having sympathized with you. Now we are happy about your misfortune.”
...show you for your absolute ignorance and idiocy. You have real issues, amigo...GO SEEK HELP.
At which point did my country get taken over by nation building idiots? What happened to “friendship and open trade with other nations, entangling alliances with none”?
Albanians already have a country, why do they need Kosovo?
Moscows Actions in Georgia Have Undermined Russias Ties with Serbia
Good question. Annuling recognition of Kosovo and Osetia, Abkhazia is the only way to restitute World balance.
Even if Russia and America strike a deal and say “we will not do any more of this nonsense” the genie is out of the bottle and other countries can do the same. 10 000 ethnic groups, 200 countries, possibilities are endless. NATO is incapable to pacify Afghanistan. Imagine 10 flashpoints like this one, in countries where human life is valued less than an AK-47 or a cow.
I posted this earlier on the "Quiz" thread, but I just can`t resist:
List of active autonomist and secessionist movements
Just "target" next country /s.
As for a need to restore "World balance" I don't think that even exists. World politics isn't played by Marquess of Queensberry rules. We will certainly reap the consequences of our stupidity in Serbia in one way or another but there is no need to concede anything to Putin over it. I see only some moral equivalence between our actions in Serbia and Russia's actions in Georgia and no political equivalence.
And don’t forget that ity was Brzezinski in his book “Between Two Ages” in the 1980s who asked essentially “Can we not consider the Bolshevik Revolution a blessing for the world because it destroyed Russia?”
Tailgunner Joe, my fine-feathered friend, forgot to take your medication again? How in the world anyone with supposedly “conservative” credentials could come to the defense of Bill Clinton’s little wag-the-dog actions in Kosovo, to distract from Blowjob-gate and his impeachment, truly boggles the mind.
If you were an actual Tailgunner in WWII rather than the armchair soldier that you actually are, the Serbs would’ve been your best friends— it was the Serbs, more than any other USA ally, who put their lives on the line to rescue American and other Allied pilots. And the Serbs have always been on the front lines in defending Europe against Islamofascism, since the Battle of Kossovo against the Ottoman Turks in 1389.
But no, Bill Clinton couldn’t be bothered by actual history, since it was far more important to protect his sorry hide from political fallout over Blowjob-gate. Despite the confusing situation on the ground (with mutual atrocities), the Serbs were an easy target in the media, so Bill decided to bomb Serbia for 78 days and kill thousands of cilivians, even hitting a TV tower. Even now, Bill still has his bootlickers defending him for his war crime.
The biggest irony of all this, TGJ, is that your beloved little Kosovo Albanians demonstrated their gratitude for Bill Clinton’s war crime by helping to mass-murder 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001. The KLA has always had cozy relations with al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden, and in fact the 9/11 hijackers themselves had links to the region which helped them to train, and to plot the attacks in Europe. Even now, the KLA-led Kosovo is an unviable state led by drug-runners, and people and weapons-smugglers, still with connections to al-Qaida.
So you see, TGJ, you are effectively sympathizing with al-Qaida here, and in fact with al-Qaida operatives who murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11. And you call yourself a patriot?
Yeah, in fact Aztlan in the US Southwest is next on the list. The Aztlan, Aleutian and Hawaiian independence movements are already citing Kosovo as the fundamental legal precedent for secession, and the irony is, they’re right— when the US government itself creates a precedent like this, nowhere is that precedent stronger than in our country itself.
Hey, if they wanna secede, more power to them. If our corrupt leaders are stupid enough to shoot ourselves in the foot over Kosovo, an Islamofascist-led al-Qaida allied narcostate that directly assisted in an attack on our own soil (9/11), then perhaps our government deserves the shock. And besides, Aztlan in particular will stop leeching precious tax dollars away from the rest of the nation. Let ‘em fend for themselves.
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