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To: null and void

You are parsing words - the 1795 law clearly confers citizenship at birth. There is no naturalization process required.

Do you seriously think that the founders (or any subsequent legislators) for one second intended that the children of citizens serving their country abroad (military, foreign service, etc.) or even of those traveling abroad for pleasure would lose their rights as natural born citizens?

As for the 1795 law (and all subsequent laws) - most legal scholars would agree, and I would venture a substantial wager that SCOTUS would agree as well - if and when the rights of citizenship are conferred at birth - it meets the definition of natural born. The Constitution discusses 2 ‘classifications’ of citizenship - natural born and naturalized - in any case where naturalization is not required - that citizen is clearly natural born.

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And from the depths of my twisted mind:
I would love to see Obama address this and tell us again how much he honors and respects the military. Then he can make a specific address to the parents who are active duty and the children of our current military members and say that if these cutelittle kids were born at Ramstein, or Yokosuka, or Holy Loch - or any other military facility outside the States - that you wonderful smart children live in the land of opportunity and that you can be anything you want to be if you work hard enough - except of course President. Imagine that - you can’t be president BECAUSE your daddy or mommy served this wonderful country.
- I’m waiting - I will schedule my time around the speech of Mr. Constitutional Law professor who thinks he knows more than Clarence Thomas and believed the DC gun ban to be constitutional - when he decides to address this and explain to us peons how and why Senator McCain should be disqualified - I will be watching.


157 posted on 08/26/2008 9:26:47 PM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: BlueNgold
The 1795 law does confer citizenship at birth, yet it specifically removes natural born from the definition.

Why?

I think they intent was that to be a natural born American, you had to actually be born in America.

No, I don't think that is fair, but they apparently considered that a person born in a foreign land would have a non-eradicable soft spot in their heart for that foreign land, and that could affect their ability to do what needed to be done with the US' sole best interests in mind.

As for the 1795 law (and all subsequent laws) - most legal scholars would agree, and I would venture a substantial wager that SCOTUS would agree as well - if and when the rights of citizenship are conferred at birth - it meets the definition of natural born.

I would never put money on what a court would do. No man's life liberty or property are safe as long as court is in session.

And from the depths of my twisted mind: [etc.]

That's what we were taught, a class of nothing but Brats, on a military base, in a school run and owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Marine Corps.

I resented it then, I resent it now. (Although it doesn't affect me as I was born in these 48 United States)

As to zerObama?

He'd probably mention the McCaskill bill, and remind the chillins that he tried to get it broadened to to include any descendant of US military personnel included*, and say how sad he was that the bill failed, and that he really wished that the law allowed McCain to run, and if he should be elected president, he'll make it his very first priority to make sure any descendant of any active duty military person could be president some day...

(*pay no attention to the fact that this would make him eligible through his grandpa Stanley Dunham, regardless of being born in Kenya, and cover his butt)

165 posted on 08/27/2008 8:01:28 AM PDT by null and void (Obama/Biden: It's a no-brainer)
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