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To: MrB; jimmyray

You know guys. Copernican heliocentricity was the first ‘scientific’ issue where large numbers of people believed that the Bible had been ‘shown’ to be false. It was the camel’s nose under the tent. In reality, nothing of the sort had been done. It is the same as the Darwinian ‘revolution’ and long-ages for the earth/universe. The only support for these positions is that large numbers of people believe it.

It took 300 years from Galileo before Ernst Mach proved that the essential rules of geometry would be violated were there any classical physical difference between a geocentric and a heliocentric universe, thereby proving Galileo and Copernicus were wrong to claim that geokineticism was scientifically true. It wasn’t them and isn’t now.

It hasn’t taken nearly that long for the astronomers I quoted to say the same thing wrt GR. GR would be fundamentally violated if there were any relativistic physically significant difference between geocentrism and geokineticism.

I would think that would cause a Christian to pause and reconsider their beliefs here. Just as has been done wrt creation and a young-earth. Geokineticism is based on the same interpretation-method as evolution and an old-earth. The evidence isn’t uniquely there to favor it. Geokineticism is the last giant that opposes your faith. Once that one falls, you are entirely free.

I am free.


248 posted on 08/27/2008 8:57:54 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
GR would be fundamentally violated if there were any relativistic physically significant difference between geocentrism and geokineticism.

Well, I'll have to read up more on that. Intriguing, to say the least.

251 posted on 08/27/2008 9:08:15 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: GourmetDan
It is the same as the Darwinian ‘revolution’ and long-ages for the earth/universe. The only support for these positions is that large numbers of people believe it.

That and mountains of evidence. Oh, and the evidence for the contrary positions is squat.

(The Keepers Of Odd Knowledge have sure taken over this site!)

274 posted on 08/27/2008 6:12:39 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GourmetDan

Your nonsense is one of the main reasons I haven’t been posting much on FR. I will not engage in debate with your ridiculus assertations because that would grant them far more credibility than they deserve.

Sometimes it is more important to lose one’s decorum in order to say exactly what needs to be said and you are providing perfect example.

You, GourmetDan, need to be elevated for the whole world to see. You need to be held up as a classic example of a crank. Your thoughts are worthless, your postings are anti-intellectual trash even though you have every right to say them.

The simple fact that Free Republic not only tolerates you but defends and encourages you in your self-centered quest as a freak messiah of medival, anti-rationality to those who want to believe in every nut-job, anti-science and anti-establishment crackpot idea shows how this website has degenerated over the last couple of years.

It was a good place to get interesting information and to learn something new. But your postings, amongst others, have contaminated legitimate information here with the Weekly World News version of science and makes everything here seem dubious. It’s at the point where this is a dangerous place to get any information because garbage like yours dominates these threads. And it is a danger to the reputation of any rational person who choses to engage your folly.

I make no apologies for calling you what you are [a crank] and calling you out on your hair-brained ideas worth of a cave man [apologies to any cave men reading this].

Thank you, GourmetDan, for being a perfect example of the antithesis of rationality. Please continue your postings so there will be more and more examples of what this site has become and the depths a crank will go.


281 posted on 08/28/2008 6:57:18 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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