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I said "Interestingly enough, the motion of the planets can be explained by either model (geo or heliocentric), but the apparent reversal of the orbital patterns of the planets can better be described by a heliocentric model of the solar system."

and you said "Not really. You're using the old, old model, not the one used by Einstein, Hoyle, Born and Ellis. "

So school me on this. I was not aware that Geocentric models were more efficient and easier to understand than Heliocentric models. Can you provide a useful reference? Also, I don't understand the need to establish a Geocentric model in the first place. Scripture does not PLAINLY teach the model, only references the "...the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved." This, in my mind, refers to the establishmnet of the earth, and that no other agent than God can fundamentally alter it's position. Quite different than the 7 day creation week, that is PLAINLY taught in Genesis 1&2, Exodus 20:8-11, etc.

"So school me on this. I was not aware that Geocentric models were more efficient and easier to understand than Heliocentric models. Can you provide a useful reference?"

So the quotes from Einstein, Hoyle, Born and Ellis aren't enough to get you started? Don't know how to google 'geocentrism' and start reading? What?

"Also, I don't understand the need to establish a Geocentric model in the first place. Scripture does not PLAINLY teach the model, only references the "...the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved." This, in my mind, refers to the establishmnet of the earth, and that no other agent than God can fundamentally alter it's position."

Well, there you go. Any geocentric passage is interpreted metaphorically. How is presenting other geocentric passages and arguments going to overcome that belief? It's not possible. You already know what you believe is PLAINLY taught and what is not.

"Quite different than the 7 day creation week, that is PLAINLY taught in Genesis 1&2, Exodus 20:8-11, etc."

In your opinion, geocentrism is NOT PLAINLY taught (even though the Bible was clearly understood as geocentric until Galileo's time) yet the 7-day creation week is PLAINLY taught?

There is nothing I can do to change your opinion. You have to do that yourself, like I did. No one changed my mind for me. I researched the idea myself and found it superior, both Scripturally and scientifically. You will have to do the same. I'm not saying I won't help and try to answer some of your questions, but you have to do this for yourself. You have all the information you need. Far more than I did when I started some 10 years ago or so.