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Amazingly in your world they are mutually exclusive. For the rest of us who do have the ability to use our brains, we see God’s work apparent in the universe everywhere we look. All created fashioned and “nudged” along according to God’s will.

So while you claim to have THE truth, you are really a far fringe element who makes the rest of us believers in God look bad because you can’t accept the universe, and our interpretation of it, using the amazing brains God has given us.

And for those of you who simply throw out “gravitational time dilation” for my Sombrero Galaxy example, PLEASE explain to me this - How can we possibly be seeing those somewhat distant “less than 100 million lightyears” without any distortion? If you look at the sombrero galaxy, we are not seeing all the light that left the stars at the same time, the light we see from the stars on the side further away from us is older than the light for those stars closest to us. So even if there is this “magical” medium which transports this light to us instantaneously, it still requires that the light at the far side of the galaxy had been traveling for 50-100K years(width of the visible part of the galaxy) before it caught up with the light on the closer side to give us this perfectly uniform image.

It’s almost as if you are saying that those stars/clusters/nebula that are < 6000 light years away from us are A-OK, but anything further has it’s light transported to us instantaneously. And without distortion I might add. Even though Einstein Crosses show how easily it is to become distorted with intervening material.

I’m sorry, but “gravitational time dilation” to explain all of the universe is a term thrown out there in lieu of using your brian. Because what is the gravitational force that increases the speed of light, yet does not distort the source from the end observer. I take the distance of < 100 million light years because I’m sure you will show examples of distortion from galaxies much further away with lots of intervening material. In fact, I’m sure you would have shown me examples of Einstein Crosses as an example.

In “The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time,” Hawking and Ellis admit that a crucial component of their cosmological model is based on an “admixture of ideology,” which, as Dr. Humphreys points out, is another way of saying it “is not warranted by observations.” Hawking and Ellis call this ideology the Copernican principle, but in reality, it couldn’t be further from what Copernicus actually believed. Copernicus did indeed posit that the earth was not the center of our solar system, but he also held that our solar system was either at or near the center of the universe. Hawking et al, on the other hand, put forward Bondi’s badly misnamed Copernican principle, which demotes our solar system (indeed our entire galaxy) to a position that is not “specially distinguished in any way”...and without a shred of evidence to back up such a momentous assumption. Thus, in the case of Big Bang cosmology, we find that Evo Big Bangers have inserted a principle that is based on their a priori faith commitments rather than empirical scientific observation. What Dr. Humphreys has done is turn the Copernican principle on its head based on biblical passages that suggest that God created the universe with a center. He then plugged this assumption into Einstein’s theory of General Relativity, and found that gravitational time dilation allows for both extremely young and extremely old galaxies that owe their existence to the exact same creation event. Stephen Hawkings et al ASSUME that the universe has no center based on the observation that the universe appears spacially homogonous in every direction. But again, this is a massive assumption, for the universe would appear the exact same way if we occupied a spot at or near its center. I will leave which model makes superior predictions for another discussion (assuming you’re still interested).

PS You can watch a preview of Dr. Humphreys video here (small screen):

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