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To: wintertime
If government owned government grocery stores, and gave food away for free, how many private grocery stores do you think we would see?

If people didn't like the food at the free grocery stores, we'd see lots of private ones. The fact that your county has no public schools tells me that either your neighbors are satisfied with the product they're getting for free or they can't afford to pay for private schools--in which case the existence of such schools isn't going to help them very much.

Everybody pays taxes for something they don't like. People who don't read pay for libraries. People who don't drive pay for roads. Liberals pay for the war. Conservatives pay for food stamps. If you want to make an argument against public schools or against compulsory education, go ahead, but the fact that religious people have to pay for them doesn't carry much weight.

400 posted on 08/30/2008 12:56:27 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
If you want to make an argument against public schools or against compulsory education, go ahead, but the fact that religious people have to pay for them doesn't carry much weight.

Few conservatives ( God-believing, agnostic, or atheist) are against compulsory education.

Conservatives generally believe that all parents and all private schools should be held to the same standards as the government. If government allows illiterates and innumerates to receive high school diplomas then **that** should be the **same** standard for everyone! If government promotes a big, hairy, illiterate and innumerate 14 year old to the 9th grade, then parents and private schools should be allowed to do the same.

I personally argue against government schools, and police compelled attendance at them, because government schools are utterly incompatible with the First Amendment, free practice of religion, and government establishment of religion, as well as free speech, free assembly and free press.

Conservatives pay for food stamps. If you want to make an argument against public schools or against compulsory education, go ahead, but the fact that religious people have to pay for them doesn't carry much weight.

How nice of you to bring up the topic of food stamps. All education in the U.S. should follow the food stamp model.

Food stamps are redeemed in private grocery stores. The middle and upper classes **PAY** for their own children's food. **Everyone* (poor and wealthy alike) use private grocery stores.

We should adopt the same model for education. Middle and upper class parents should **pay** for their own child's education in a private school, and we should have tax credits for those willing to support the education of the poor who would also attend a **private** school.

Everybody pays taxes for something they don't like.

There is no provision whatsoever in our Federal Constitution for education. These matters should be returned to the states.

Our federal Constitution has, and likely every state have, First Amendment protections. Police threat compulsion to attend a government school and the very existence of government schools are utterly incompatible with First Amendment Rights.

Please remember that no school is religiously neutral.

Government schools are not religiously neutral and **must** establish and champion the religious worldview of some citizens and destroy the religious worldview of others. The government also totally crushes all the other provisions of the First Amendment for those children who are under police threat to attend them.

People who don't read pay for libraries. People who don't drive pay for roads. Liberals pay for the war.

Roads and libraries do not use police threat to imprison citizens ( who have committed no crime) in government buildings 6 to 7 hours a day and bus them around in big yellow buses that look like prison work gang buses. Roads and libraries do not **order** people to shut up, forbid them to publish, order children to assemble with people of the government's choosing, forbid religious expression, and pour a government religion into the minds of captive children. Government schools do all of the above.

Roads and libraries do not threaten parents and children with armed police, court, and foster care action if they are not patronized. Government schools do.

By the way, our government has provisions for people to lobby against libraries, roads, against **government schools** and for privatization of universal K-12 education.! Conservatives are doing that. We will prevail.

Liberals pay for the war.

The liberal/Marxists didn't complain about Clinton's wars. ( Or bombing of aspirin factories.)

Anyway...Our federal Constitution specifically outlines the procedures for war. The liberal/Marxists are completely free to lobby for an Amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution has specific provisions for this.

401 posted on 08/30/2008 6:45:03 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

If you want to make an argument against public schools or against compulsory education, go ahead, but the fact that religious people have to pay for them doesn’t carry much weight.

>>>>>>>>> EXCEPT of course for the majority religious people fed up with failed schools, lawsuits to silence them, lies about godless liberals somehow being objective and so on...


407 posted on 08/30/2008 7:31:39 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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