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To: YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; Non-Sequitur; valkyry1; metmom; Quix
Christians may be granted access to the table, but only with the proviso that they remain silent and accept without comment any proposition laid before them.

Yes, YHAOS, that would seem to be the case….

But it seems to me this “admitting Christians to the table” construct has got it just exactly backwards. At least in terms of the commonly-shared (i.e., cultural) American experience, which (1) has profound roots in the historical and cultural experience of Jerusalem (the salvation history of Judeo-Christianity), Athens (the rational foundation of human thought), and Rome (practical political philosophy and all the ways it can go wrong); and (2) the "radical" American experience developed from these sources, which is lawfully based in a Constitution to which We the People have given and continue to give our assent.

Were that assent to be withdrawn, the United States would instantly cease to exist. Radical progressives of every stripe — from Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al., to such more modern luminaries as Bin Laden, William Ayers, and even conceivably Barack Obama himself (folks who do not wish our nation as presently constituted well for whatever reason) — are already well aware of this fact and I daresay clearly focus on it in the conduct of their daily activities.

For one thing, this “persons of Judeo-Christian cum classical culture/heritage may be unqualified to sit at the table of contemporary American public discourse" premise spits on the First Amendment of the federal Constitution — Article I of the Bill of Rights [which guarantees the exercise of the natural, i.e., God-given power of “We the People” to speak among and govern ourselves in a rational manner conducive to social well-being in a peaceful and prosperous civil order achieved through consensus and consent, under the principle of the equality of citizens under the rule of Law, with the Law itself understood as ultimately inspired by, and under the judgment of divine Justice.]

This is the reason WHY the First Amendment stipulates that Congress may not tamper, restrain, or otherwise interfere in any way with, FIRST, freedom of religion (conscience); THEN with freedom of the press, and of peaceable assembly, and by implication, academic freedom — freedom of thought itself.

Sigh…. How do you get people to “play ball with you,” if they refuse to recognize “the rules of the game?”

Thank you so much for writing, dear YHAOS!

355 posted on 08/28/2008 5:23:02 PM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Non-Sequitur; valkyry1; metmom; Quix
"Sigh…. How do you get people to “play ball with you,” if they refuse to recognize “the rules of the game?”"

You don't. This is a one-way street with these people."

You may recall that some time ago, when we were discussing the natural rights of man and a government run by the consent of the governed, I observed these concepts have become so distorted and misapplied that I feared no restoration of the concepts was possible short of a second revolution (I do not claim sole authorship of this idea – any number of us has expressed the same or similar thoughts). Your present comments suggest this same theme.

When a Republican President walks into the White House, is there anyone so foolish as to assume that our State Department immediately dedicates itself to the faithful execution of the foreign policies of the new administration? Not hardly. State is rife with One-World devotees, who would like nothing better than see the dissolution of the US and to then use our wealth and military might to effect a world-wide Socialist/Marxist government. There is only one way in which they can achieve that end – the betrayal of the American People.

One has to think no other department of the government is any less dedicated to the destruction of our republic, with the exception of the military, which seems to have remained largely free of the vermin that infests the rest. And, the vermin are too deeply embedded to ever be rooted out. We will end only one of two ways; with a bang or a whimper – either by civil war or a quiet strangulation.

Cheerful, aren’t I.

358 posted on 08/28/2008 9:13:18 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: betty boop
For one thing, this “persons of Judeo-Christian cum classical culture/heritage may be unqualified to sit at the table of contemporary American public discourse" premise spits on the First Amendment of the federal Constitution — Article I of the Bill of Rights [which guarantees the exercise of the natural, i.e., God-given power of “We the People” to speak among and govern ourselves in a rational manner conducive to social well-being in a peaceful and prosperous civil order achieved through consensus and consent, under the principle of the equality of citizens under the rule of Law, with the Law itself understood as ultimately inspired by, and under the judgment of divine Justice.]

This is the reason WHY the First Amendment stipulates that Congress may not tamper, restrain, or otherwise interfere in any way with, FIRST, freedom of religion (conscience); THEN with freedom of the press, and of peaceable assembly, and by implication, academic freedom — freedom of thought itself.

Applause! So very true.

Thank you for your beautiful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

359 posted on 08/28/2008 9:13:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

How very well said...follow the madness to the logical conclusion: veterans standing guard at Arlington National Cemetery to prevent lunatics from removing crosses! Quite probably up against police or even armed U.S. troops!

See Mt. Soledad to sadly see how far this madness actually has been allowed to succeed!

I truly think the SCOTUS will indeed be forced to once and for all quell the separation of church and state lies and confusion that the likes of the Michael Newdows have spread.

Which SHOULD send a chill up everyone’s spine, when it comes to our next president and his probable SCOTUS appointment(s) and Hillary talking about a 5-4 FAR right stranglehold on the SCOTUS and taking this country BACK?

Shocking how such a godless liberal agenda sees their worldview delusions as reality.


360 posted on 08/28/2008 9:17:10 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: betty boop
This is the reason WHY the First Amendment stipulates that Congress may not tamper, restrain, or otherwise interfere in any way with, FIRST, freedom of religion (conscience); THEN with freedom of the press, and of peaceable assembly, and by implication, academic freedom — freedom of thought itself.

And yet these freedoms are being eroded through litigation on almost a daily basis, applauded by many who call themselves conservatives.

Seems like the liberal mindset that freedom of anything is for anyone as long as it doesn't involve expressing Christianity, has infected much of the thinking of the average American. They believe it because they really don't understand what the Constitution says. And they fail to see the hypocrisy of their position.

Freedom isn't really freedom unless it applies to all people everywhere, schools and public town squares included.

371 posted on 08/29/2008 6:23:02 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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