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To: tpanther

So you would agree on general principles that the state can take children from their parents without a specific charge of abuse?

I have a particular interest in this because I was a family counselor in Children’s Protective Services for seven years. It was more than twenty years ago, and things may have changed, but I managed not to put any kids in foster care.

By the way, I answered your question. Now answer mine.

Do you eat pork? Does the earth move?


252 posted on 08/25/2008 6:49:51 PM PDT by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts

That article amounted to propaganda, because author Amy Harmon failed to critically assess what David Campbell taught.

For example Mickey Mouse was created by a highly talented and intelligent artist, and the changes in Mickey Mouse’s appearance over the years were due to deliberate design decisions on the part of Walt Disney artists. (And note that Mickey Mouse did not change into a different kind of cartoon character, like Goofy say.) This cartoon analogy fits creation far better than evolution.

There are not thousands of fossils of transitional forms as teacher David Campbell asserts. At any time, there are only ever a handful of dubious and hotly disputed candidates, and these are invariably discarded (like the coelacanth) as more complete information becomes available about them. Further, Campbell’s comment about a tiny fraction of fossils is seriously misleading. Fossils of virtually every kind (order) of organisms have been found - see my article “Karl Kruszelnicki: still missing the missing links” http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5872 .

Creationists like myself do not believe that God created each species in its current form. We believe that God created each kind, and that each kind had the genetic potential for variation. Thus the different species zebra, donkey and horse all belong to the ‘horse’ or ‘equus’ kind. There can be variation and change within a kind, but a horse has never been observed to change into a different kind of animal.

David Campbell irresponsibly perpetuates the peppered moths myth with his pecking-moths-off-tree-bark activity. His activity directly reflects the peppered moth story, which was discredited long ago when researchers revealed that peppered moths do not rest on tree trunks or branches, and that the movies of birds pecking peppered moths off tree trunks were fraudulent, involving gluing dead moths to the bark. And anyway, this hardly illustrated microbes-to-moths evolution, because there were both light and dark moths before soot darkened the tree trunks, and both light and dark moths after the industrial revolution. The only thing that changed was the ratio of light to dark. This involves only changes in the ratios of existing genetic information. But evolution would require the coming into existence of encyclopedic quantitites of new genetic information, coding for new types of organs, new kinds of organisms, etc.


261 posted on 08/25/2008 8:17:36 PM PDT by Maningo
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