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A Teacher on the Front Line as Faith and Science Clash (time to fight force, with force!)
New York Times ^ | August 23, 2008 | AMY HARMON

Posted on 08/24/2008 2:16:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: js1138; GodGunsGuts

If you weren’t sure, then why do you keep pinging him and leaving his name out?

That requires deliberate action to delete a name and ping to the post only.

It’s also intellectually dishonest.

It makes it awfully hard to believe that you weren’t sure what the mods meant.


81 posted on 08/24/2008 5:37:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; FFranco
To expect the kids to understand the theory is reasonable, and practical. However, it sounds as though that isn't really what this is all about.

It isn't, or they wouldn't be suing school districts into submission when the parents speak their mind and vote to allow the discussion of ID/creation.

82 posted on 08/24/2008 5:39:42 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman; metmom
Pushing for a theocracy, eh? Going to overthrow the constitution while you're at it?

Where in the Constitution does it say that the federal government has any business in the local schools? I can show you where the states have the rights not delegated to the federal government.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This comes from the original United States here...(The Articles of Confederation.

Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

The Articles also state this...

And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union.

What was our initial government? A theocracy?

83 posted on 08/24/2008 5:45:38 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Non-Sequitur

==Yeah. I think they should receive poor grades for not mastering the subject.

Let’s suppose they were only teaching Creation/ID in the public schools. Should students receive D’s or F’s for challenging the science behind these subjects too?


84 posted on 08/24/2008 5:46:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
What about all the biologists who maintain the only other possibility, Creation/Intelligent Design? Why aren’t they being covered? Either get the government schools out of the origins business, or allow both sides to be represented. If the evos insist on using force to brainwash our children, then that leaves the our side no choice but to wage an all out political war against them. None of this namby-pambi stuff we’ve seen so far...I mean an unrelenting, in-your-face political battle to crush the jackbooted evos and their Commie-ACLU minions once and for all.

Now that's what I call funny .

I can see I'm gonna have fun on this site.

85 posted on 08/24/2008 5:48:17 PM PDT by Crankologist (See my profile page for my "All-Around Crank Index" scoring system.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Amen!


86 posted on 08/24/2008 5:49:56 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Let’s suppose they were only teaching Creation/ID in the public schools. Should students receive D’s or F’s for challenging the science behind these subjects too?

There's science behind ID?

If ID was what was being taught and the students challenged it with evolution facts then wouldn't you expect them to be graded down?

87 posted on 08/24/2008 5:51:33 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: metmom

You are bringing in old fights from other threads. That’s against the rules.

I have every right to argue points made on this thread.


88 posted on 08/24/2008 5:51:51 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Crankologist

Maybe for a little while, but my guess is you won’t last long.


89 posted on 08/24/2008 5:57:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Crankologist
I can see I'm gonna have fun on this site.

Its a target-rich environment.

90 posted on 08/24/2008 6:00:17 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

==If ID was what was being taught and the students challenged it with evolution facts then wouldn’t you expect them to be graded down?

Absolutely not. As long as they made a good case for their position, I would give them high marks. Conservatives tend not to go in for political correctness.


91 posted on 08/24/2008 6:00:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Crankologist

By your scale, I got a +65 for that comment. What say you?


92 posted on 08/24/2008 6:01:10 PM PDT by UndauntedR
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To: rjsimmon; From many - one.

exactly.

dissentfromdarwin.org


93 posted on 08/24/2008 6:03:11 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Crankologist

PS Interesting that you would openly identify with an overtly left-wing source like Wikipedia on your profile page. That speaks volumes about where you’re coming from, newbie.


94 posted on 08/24/2008 6:10:26 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: From many - one.

dissentfromdarwin.org


95 posted on 08/24/2008 6:14:30 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts
It no longer matters what your side fears, Wiley. Since the Temple of Darwin relies on force to stifle debate, force will be required to reopen the debate. But I must admit, I rather enjoy the thought of you being constantly plagued by your worst fears as this process unfolds.

As long as you are threatening violence, maybe you can get some help from these kooks. If they're not too warm and fuzzy for you.

96 posted on 08/24/2008 6:21:29 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; Soliton
Many of the students, Mr. Campbell sensed, were not grasping the basic principles of biological evolution.

I am sure Mr. Campbell was trying very hard to get the students to grasp those principles. But is it possible that by continuing to desire that the students direct their attention to macroevolutionary conclusions he risked underteaching the principles of mutation and microevolution? Paleontology and comparative embryology may have visual appeal but biochemical and population genetics give entry-level students a more solid foundation to build on, accrediting and other political organizations' recommendations notwithstanding.

97 posted on 08/24/2008 6:26:25 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: From many - one.
"It’s really very simple. If a student signs up to take a course in biology, that student is there to learn what biologists think. Any dispruptive behavior is cheating the other students of what they came for. Tuning out means only cheating oneself of learning the basics, even if only to better oppose it later when educated and knowledgable."

Unfortunately, evolutionists like to conflate 'what biologists think' with 'the basics' when they have nothing at all to do with one another. This is known as the fallacy of equivocation.

Evolution is nothing more than multiple fallacies piled on top of each other. Begging the question is usually first, followed closely by equivocation, appeal to popular opinion, etc etc.

98 posted on 08/24/2008 6:28:40 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
appeal to popular opinion, etc etc.

Would that include arguing that a majority of Americans have doubts about evolution?

I'm curious how this all out political war is going to be won. In the field and laboratory, or in the legislature?

99 posted on 08/24/2008 6:33:45 PM PDT by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts; Coyoteman

He knows he’s been debunked on this...if we were going to realize a Theocracy in this country, Darwin would have never seen the light of day.

When we had prayer in school, we didn’t witness a Theocracy now did we?

On the other hand what we DO now realize is that godless liberals have managed to do EXACTLY what they preach against: a secular only society where Chirstianity is shoved behind closed doors.

Name one institution where godless liberals have been objective be it:

journalism

law

politics

education in general, science specifically...etc. etc. etc.

Godless liberals are destroying the fabric of our society!

FINALLY good decent people are fighting back THIS NONSENSE!

aclj.org

thomasmore.org


100 posted on 08/24/2008 6:36:20 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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