Posted on 08/21/2008 5:00:24 PM PDT by LdSentinal
Wheres the proof that he traveled to pakistan? Is there any proof that shows him going back to indonesia after he left at the age of 10?
There is nothing I’ve seen that stands out to me as a disqualifier, and the fact that people are investing so much time and now money in this matter is depressing.
There is nothing I’ve seen that stands out to me as a disqualifier, and the fact that people are investing so much time and now money in this matter is depressing.Can you say snipe hunt. Even Bill Clinton's comment about "anyone qualified" fits in with this. They want this to keep people busy for quite a while.
“If he was born in Honolulu, he’s in the clear. In order to lose his citizenship, he would have had to renounce it himself after attaining the age of 18. His parents could not have renounced it for him. And Indonesian law, such as it is, is irrelevant.”
It seems to be that if he travelled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport he did exactly that. He was over 18 at the time.
It seems to be that if he travelled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport he did exactly that. He was over 18 at the time.See post 240 and links.
A dual national who travels on a foreign passport does not put his citizenship in jeopardy.
bttt
At the time the Constitution was written, it meant a citizen born on American soil. However, Congress has, through legislation, made a somewhat expanded meaning to include certain people born abroad as well - when certain criteria with respect to the citizenship status of one parent or both are met. In Obama's case, though, if he was born abroad, his parents' status would not have qualified him for citizenship at birth under that legislation.
It would be interesting to see how the man who filed suit in this case will try to prove that Obama was born in Kenya, as he claims. There are unlikely to be written records to that effect available, and any potential witness still alive would probably be living in Kenya and be unlikely to be willing to go to Philadelphia to testify in the case.
The guess here is that the suit will be dismissed on some procedural ground, perhaps Berg's lack of standing to be a plaintiff.
That depends. It doesn’t of itself do so, but as a part of a pattern it can.
Just to point out that in a law suit, many arguments or assertions may be made and they do not all have to be aligned, and actually a number of them may be at odds with other. As the law suit proceeds into the discovery phase where depositions are taken and subpoenas (legal demands to appear to be questioned) are issued, as the facts then become clear — some arguments and assertions may be dropped.
Depressing.
Several comments from relatives in Kenya to the effect that Obama was born there have been reported. However, its a matter of conjecture whether any of those people would be willing to repeat them in the current circumstances. More than likely, they’ll simply cover up for him.
(2) When something is in the Constitution, changing it requires an amendment.
(3) If you find any legislation that expands "natural born" please also cite which cases and courts have applied it to the Article II requirements for Presidency.
They might be able to enjoin his name from being put on the General Election ballot
In any event, if it is demonstrated that he is ineligible for the presidency, then McCain wins by default
Speaking of relatives, it seems no one can get to his typical white grandma and ask her where the hell was he born.. She knows, but then again she would lie for him too.. She would have had his birth certificate in her hands at some point in his young life, especially when as Obama recalls when he was a kid, his grandma being afraid of black men..
You don’t understand that this suit is designed to stop his nomination, not to establish anything in a court of law.
Amen. Hillary’s not going to go down quietly.
“redneck hillbilly”
nothing wrong with that, it’s better than being called a liberal
It's difficult to believe that a bright young preppy from Hawaii would cavalierly jeopardize his US citizenship for travel convenience.
He was drinkig and drugging, by his own admission, and hanging out with a known commie.
It has nothing to do with US law. Indonesian law stated that he had to choose upon reaching 18. He could not retain Indonesian citizemship without renouncing his US citizenship.
“Amen. Hillary’s not going to go down quietly.”
And perhaps the showing of this film is to help start the Hillary “take over” at the convention? After all, one could say if Obama was dishonest during the primary perhaps he is also dishonest about his constitutional qualifications!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8t4PKGc2Fw
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