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To: GodGunsGuts

“Dice can be both God’s will and random to our frame of reference in the same way God can know the beginning from the end and yet at the same time grant us free will.”GGG

So why do you seem to assume that “random” is synonymous with “God has no control over the process”?

Many things that affect our lives and our salvation may seem indistinguishable from randomness but I don’t for a second assume that means they are out of God’s power to control or predict.

Why should evolution be any different from the thousands of other factors that have a random component that affect our lives from the very moment of our creation as a random shuffle of our grandparents DNA to the effect of a random mutation to a gene in a brain cell that gives someone brain cancer and kills them? God is still in control, even if the process is demonstrably random.


572 posted on 08/20/2008 5:51:03 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: allmendream

==God is still in control, even if the process is demonstrably random.

Granted. But if we extend your analogy, then it is random mutation that is the illusion, not intelligent design.


579 posted on 08/20/2008 6:51:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream; GodGunsGuts
God is still in control, even if the process is demonstrably random.

It might be more correct to state that if God is in control, then the process only appears to be random.

What appears to be random to us, who are inside the system or who do not have the level of knowledge to detect that pattern yet, may not really be so.

We've been studying so little of our physical world for so short a time, that it would be well nigh impossible to make that statement with any degree of certainty.

We can't say for sure that any process is truly random unless we know all about it and can take all the factors acting upon that system into account.

We don't have anywhere near that level of knowledge yet.

589 posted on 08/20/2008 8:26:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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