McCain alarms base with abortion comment

Politico ^ | 8/14/2008 | Jonathan Martin

[redgolum]

With all that is going on in the world, McCain might still win.

But if he picks a pro abortion running mate, it will be without my vote.

[VRWC For Truth]

McLiberal ... the other Democrat. The GOP is dead.

[cpforlife.org]

I hope you are right CT, but I don’t trust McCain. He’s literally the lesser of two evils.

I didn’t like him the first time I heard his RINO BS looong ago. Now I’m close to not voting for him.

If he had any depth to his “Pro-Life” stance he would have made a statement that his VP had to at least share his position—lame as it is. He’s a PLINO - Pro-Life In Name Only.

At one point today I thought: why don’t Johnny and Barry just forgo the election and become Co-Presidents.

[Gordon Greene]

I think the problem is not that we disagree, but in that the small amount of difference lies in something none of us can, at least immediately control. If Roe V Wade could be ripped out of history and the Supreme Court understood its true purpose, none of this would even matter. What does matter is that we vote in whomever is going to appoint the most strict Constitutionalist judges.

In the meantime, here we are... we know the Supreme Court should not be involved but they are. We can fight to change the future but we’re bound by the present.

On the other hand, we do have direct immediate control over ourselves and how we raise our children... it must not be overlooked what an important part this plays.

If we do nothing but scream from the mountaintops “Overturn Roe” but do nothing to change ourselves and our charge, then we have done little.

If we do nothing but raise our children and live right but are eventually enslaved by a more and more intrusive government, we have only saved ourselves and lost future generations.

So we have to fight on both fronts... it ain’t everybody’s cup of tea to fight the same way. God made us like that so we could each strengthen the others weakness.

The battle will only be won in the public eye if we all do what God has given us to do and take the time to encourage and uphold the other.

I’ve not seen a bad point out of either one of you concerning abortion... keep up the good work and lets save fight for the enemy.

I’m afraid we’re gonna need it.

[Jo Nuvark]

Yes! Teach truth. Don’t stop.
Repeat. Repeat. Then repeat again.

Ignorance is the weapon of tyranny.

[colorado tanker]

McCain was way down my list, too. Barry would be a disaster, so I'm supporting McCain and hoping for the best.

I think his present campaign staff is more on the ball and would understand the huge problem McCain would have. Right now the Republicans are more unified than the Dims, but that would change overnight if he double-crossed pro-lifers.

[Theodore R.]

“McCain Alarms Base” is a headline that will never end.

[MARTIAL MONK]

Don’t know about you, but....FR needs a good enema.

Well... Do you need a good enema?

[Jo Nuvark]

FOUND THE ESPERANTO BOOK.

Our visitor was from Budapest, his name was Gabor Vigh.
He was Department Head for the Institute of Cultural
Relations. Dorottya u.8. Budapest 5. Hungary, Europe

He wrote the following to me in Esperanto...

Kara (Jo),

Mi skribas leteron al vi en Esperanto.
Hi esperors, ke vi homprenos gin. Se vi
lernas Esperantou diligente, vi niceos
leteron de mi el Hungario.

Dankon pro la bela vojago inter Los Angeles
and Santa Barbara. Hi veriam forgesos vin.
Cjis vevido. Via humpasa amiko.

Gabor Vigh

MY BEST GUESS TRANSLATION (???)

Dear Jo,

I write letter to you in Esperanto.
I hope you understand. If you study
Esperanto diligently, you can write
a letter to me in Hungary.

Thank you for taking me to Los Angeles
and to Santa Barbara. I will never
forget you.

To life. Your humble friend, Gabor Vigh

[SoConPubbie]

Do me a favor, go back to the very first article on this and copy only the direct parenthetical quotes of McCain, not any of the editorialized comments- only direct quotes. Tell me if you saw only his quotes, never seeing the editorial comments, if you would write the same summary as the press did?

OK, here you go, straight from the Weekly Standard web-site itself:

"I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party," McCain said. "And I also feel that--and I'm not trying to equivocate here--that Americans want us to work together. You know, Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don't think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out."

I think the answer to your question, all things considered, is yes, I would write the same summary as the author of this editorial, Stephen F. Hayes, did.

And by the way, this isn't the MSM, this is the Weekly Standard, a conservative web-site and magazine.

[SoConPubbie]

I am having real problems believing many people posting here are annything other than Democrats.

You qualify. I hope the boss around here cleans the sludge soon.

Ditto!

This is long overdue!

[Das Outsider]

On the other hand, we do have direct immediate control over ourselves and how we raise our children... it must not be overlooked what an important part this plays.

If we do nothing but scream from the mountaintops “Overturn Roe” but do nothing to change ourselves and our charge, then we have done little.

So you're suggesting that conservatives should focus more on hearth, home, and community instead of mealy-mouthed promises from cynical politicians? ;)

The battle will only be won in the public eye if we all do what God has given us to do and take the time to encourage and uphold the other.

The outcome is ultimately in the hands of the Lord himself. We cannot create Heaven on Earth, but, as you stated earlier, we can strengthen our bonds and influence where it really counts. A nation that, according to many polls, is seventy-five to eighty-five percent "Christian," which allows all of this has either been duped by pollsters or duped by persistent, progressive secularism. My money's with the latter.

I’ve not seen a bad point out of either one of you concerning abortion... keep up the good work and lets save fight for the enemy.

I’m afraid we’re gonna need it.

But just who is the enemy?

[Lexinom]

I believe many of the replies you've receieved are the result of misinterpretation, and the depth of your thought has been lost on many due to a superficial view of personal sin.

You are emphasizing the oft-neglected bottom-up front of the culture wars, while many focus on the top-down. All too often we are quick to slough off our morality as mere external positions that don't have as profound an effect on our personal lives as they might. Thus, it is easy merely to label ourselves "pro-life" and work for top-down legislation, while neglecting the other front.

I would contend that both are needed, and the the relationship between the quality of its leaders and the mores embraced by a society at large is a symbiotic one: we get the leaders we deserve. We all know that President Clinton's despicable actions in the Oval Office gained wider acceptability amongst our youth, who look to the actions of the leaders we elect as a weather vane of acceptability. Likewise, the character flaws - namely, minimizing or trivializing the value of human life as worthy of protection under the law - inherent in one who takes a pro-choice-on-abortion position disqualify him from office for the same reasons as one who is pro-choice-on-slavery.

Thoughts?

[Das Outsider]

I would contend that both are needed, and the the relationship between the quality of its leaders and the mores embraced by a society at large is a symbiotic one: we get the leaders we deserve.

Outsider Echo Syndrome? ;)

Joking aside, Lexinom has brought up some good points, and I think the top-down influence has more to do with celebrity, and our worship thereof, if even extended into the political realm. Trickle-down immorality is real, but what is that so?

[Das Outsider]

*but why is that so?

[Jo Nuvark]

I have no quarrel with your reasoning. And I accept
your extension of my premises regarding the influence
political leaders and star power personalities have
on our young.

Those who choose to follow, say, Brittany Spears could
be considered willful. But those who need a moral
baseline and choose a role model such as Bill Clinton
could be considered naive. In my opinion.

Your thoughtful comments are profoundly appreciated.
I’ve floated this balloon a few times, and this is the
first time I’ve received intelligent analytical feedback.

You are correct. If we are to shift this culture back
to it’s moral foundations, it must come from both the
family and from our leaders. However... never forget
the power of God. I’m praying for a revival in our
land. Are you?

[Jo Nuvark]

[... The outcome is ultimately in the hands of the
Lord himself. We cannot create Heaven on Earth, but,
as you stated earlier, we can strengthen our bonds
and influence where it really counts. A nation that,
according to many polls, is 75% to 85% “Christian,”
- which allows all of this - has either been duped
by pollsters or duped by persistent, progressive
secularism. My money’s with the latter...]

Just thought this should be isolated and repeated.

[alicewonders]

[wardaddy]

You know Jo, I was thinking soaking in the tub last nite that indeed our collapsed sense of deceny and morality is a big problem but....

I fear our collective national stupidity and ignorance of issues and facts may be a larger culprit.

Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?

[Jo Nuvark]

I had not heard of the movie “Idiocracy”.
But now that I’ve researched its premise,
I think I’d like to see it.

Rush Limbaugh says that ignorance is our
worst enemy. I agree.

We can change this if we start at home.
Government doesn’t want us thinking for
ourselves. That would not be good for
their big plans to control us.

Thanks for the tip. I’ll look for the
movie.

...Jo