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To: Jeff Head
“irrefutable scientific facts”? The West will take no action that will attempt to harm Russia. It has nothing to do with science. “There are more things in heaven and earth, ... than are dreamt of in your philosophy (science)”. Including the certainty that craven and cowardly and cynical leaders will act as craven and cowardly and cynical leaders.
410 posted on 08/11/2008 1:15:25 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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Are there any counts in regard to Russian military losses and Georgian losses? I have heard the 2,000 figure but have no idea if that is a civilian count. Also heard 12 Russians KIA ( seems very low ).
I’m praying the Georgians fight like hell even though the outcome appears to be inevitable.

I’m at work and do not have time to look through the entire thread right now so please excuse me if this was answered earlier.


411 posted on 08/11/2008 1:19:25 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: isrul
Russian Colonel-General Nogovitsyn repeated an earlier charge that Georgian troops were engaged in genocide against civilians in South Ossetia, which he said he could "prove to the media."

"During their mop-up operations in South Ossetia, Georgian commandos have thrown hand grenades into the basements where civilians were hiding," he said. "That's what we call genocide."

South Ossetia's capital, Tskhinvali, lay in smoldering ruins after four days of fighting. Each side accused the other of killing large numbers of civilians. Russia said at least 2,000 people had been killed in Tskhinvali.

Georgia began withdrawing its forces from Tskhinvali early Sunday.

Georgia, a pro-Western ally of the U.S., is intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, both of which have strong Russian-backed separatist movements.

The situation in South Ossetia escalated rapidly from Thursday night, when Georgia said it launched an operation into the region after artillery fire from separatists killed 10 people. It accused Russia of backing the separatists.

South Ossetia, which has a population of about 70,000, is inside Georgia but has an autonomous government. Many South Ossetians support unification with North Ossetia, which would make them part of Russia.

Russia supports the South Ossetian government, has given passports to many in South Ossetia, and calls them Russian citizens.

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Bad move, Georgia. No more chess for you.

412 posted on 08/11/2008 1:23:19 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: isrul

Georgia Under Online Assault

By Noah Shachtman August 10, 2008 | 12:29:00 PMCategories: Crazy Ivans, Info War
The websites of Georgia’s government have been under denial-of-service attacks for weeks, with Russian hackers fingered as the culprits. Those online assaults have only intensified in recent days, as a shooting war between the two countries has broken out.

Galrahn at Information Dissimenation says that “Russia appears to have targeted the .ge domain for specific government websites, and are pounding the Georgian military networks, but other websites in Georgia in org, net, and other domains are still up, sporadically.” The Washington Post adds that “the Caucasus Network Tbilisi — key Georgian commercial Internet servers — remain under sustained attack from thousands of compromised PCs aimed at flooding the sites with so much junk Web traffic that they can no longer accommodate legitimate visitors.”


423 posted on 08/11/2008 1:52:25 PM PDT by Schwarzeneger
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To: isrul
Just the same, unless it has already happened, or is bound to happen based on physical law, it is not a fact. It may be a very darn good projection, it may have a 99% probablity (and I think this one is not that high yet), but it is nonetheless not a fact.

That is all.

As it is, the more time that goes by, the closer it comes to being an established fact. I still hold out hope that we will act and act decisevly to try and save Georgia.

434 posted on 08/11/2008 3:00:36 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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