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To: fightinJAG
>An analogy for that is American Idol, for example.

A corporate-controlled beauty contest of an evil corporate media oligarchy in which has-beens that can't get a job anywhere else decide for us who of the pretty, plastic vapid entertainers is going to represent our world, while all of the hypnotized viewers that are leeched from ignore the fact that the whole circus would be pointless and would stop existing on a dime if we just stopped giving them all our attention and energy and lived our lives the way we wanted to, societal pressure or banal institutions be damned?

OK, now you've got the beginnings of a good analogy.

I don't let other people tell me how to think. I support who and what I want, and don't put my finger up to the wind to do it for me.

Besides, your analogy fails on one other critical point. The people watching the Super Bowl don't decide who wins. The players do. Every last person in the stands could be a Patriots fan, but if the Giants score more points, it doesn't matter half a hoot.

The media, the corporations, the established parties, none of these people decide who will win the election. The voters do. You do. There is absolutely no reason we are ever forced to only choose from the choices we are given, especially when they're as much a nightmare as this election is. There is no reason that it is any less possible for anyone to win this election. The moment that you decide that what you really want is too hard, so you'll just always settle for the restricted set of options your rulers have been so kind as to force feed to you, you become a slave.

Enjoy that life, if that's what you want.

254 posted on 08/10/2008 10:27:50 AM PDT by pupdog
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To: pupdog
The last resort of someone corned by analysis by analogy is to claim, on the most species grounds, that the analogy somehow is not apt.

Doesn't matter that American Idol is all you said. Deal with the ANALOGY---that the finale is between two candidates chosen after a series of elimination races---and then you might be making progress toward a subnstantive answer.

As for your comments on the Super Bowl, duh. That's exactly what I said. It is determined by the players on the field, but that does nothing to take away from the fact that it's pretty stupid to sit in the stands and cheer for a team to win that is NOT EVEN PLAYING IN THE GAME.

Nobody, least of all me, is trying to tell you how to think. I couldn't care less how you think or vote. However, you posted to me and I responded to your points, quite unlike what you have done.

There is absolutely no reason we are ever forced to only choose from the choices we are given, especially when they're as much a nightmare as this election is.

No one is forcing you to choose between the Republican and Rat nominees. You can vote for SpongeBob if you want to; it's completely up to you.

However, if people want to analyze, oppose or even ridicule your choice or reasoning, so be it. That's life. And that's the point of signing on to a political debate forum, isn't it?

There is no reason that it is any less possible for anyone to win this election.

Sigh.

Yes, there is. It's called reality.

You are right back where you felt prompted to post to me in the first place: cheering for the Ravens, so to speak, in a Super Bowl between the Giants and the Patriots.

The moment that you decide that what you really want is too hard, so you'll just always settle for the restricted set of options your rulers have been so kind as to force feed to you, you become a slave.

I'm not a slave because I realize and accept the reality that in a Super Bowl between the Giants and the Patriots, either the Giants or the Patriots are going to win.

For my part, I would say that the "moment you decide that REALITY---the hand you've been dealt---is too hard," and therefore you decide to nurture fantasies such as someone other than the Republican or Rat nominee will win the presidential election in 2008, that's when you've got a problem.

Suit yourself.

257 posted on 08/10/2008 11:07:09 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: pupdog
The moment that you decide that what you really want is too hard, so you'll just always settle for the restricted set of options your rulers have been so kind as to force feed to you, you become a slave.

BUMP!

272 posted on 08/10/2008 12:37:12 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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