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To: David
There isn't any evidence of any nature I know of that he was born in Hawaii--nothing; zip. No birth certificate; no hospital; no doctors.

There isn't any evidence you want to accept, but it's there- there is a birth certificate and there are his own statements. Would you expect a hospital to hold records of a birth that occured 40+ years ago? I would be surprised if that was the case. If there is a doctor who was at the birth still alive, I would be surprised if he could remember one birth from the 60's.

A bunch of published news reports (the campaign is out busily scrubbing) of interviews with Sarah and two of his half siblings that they were present when he was born in Kenya; the Wayne Madsen update that records of his birth in Kenya have been found (and are now circulating in DC). The missionaries who were returning from Kenya in July 1961 when Stanley Ann was bumped off the flight because of her advanced pregnancy.

Could you please provide links to these reports, if you have them available?

BOAC flight schedules for July and August of 1961 are posted on the main thread--the return to the Western US from British Africa in 1961 was from Nairobi through Glaskow to Vancouver BC; connecting in Seattle to Honolulu. The Susan Blake interview was still up last time I looked putting Stanley Ann on Mercer Island in Seattle at a point she still hadn't learned to change diapers which would be early August 1961. Looks like a stopover by Stanley Ann and baby Obama on the way from Kenya to Honolulu to me.

I'm really not sure what this is supposed to show. Could you please explain?

Only argument against is a birth certificate that is a clear fraud.

The only evidence we have that the certificate is a fraud is the work of two anonymous bloggers. Why haven't we heard from a Hawaii official if this certificate has been tampered with?

I have a hard time believing that his mother, 9 months pregnant, flew halfway around the world to a 3rd world nation, had a kid, then flew right back. She then proceeded to lie about his birthplace for decades, never telling a soul. Then the next step in the conspiracy is that Obama, knowing he was not eligible for the Presidency, proceeded to roll the dice anyway and run, hoping that no one would ever figure it out.

I have a real tough time buying that narrative.

448 posted on 08/07/2008 8:07:52 AM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: Citizen Blade

First of all, welcome to Free Republic.

The only evidence we have that the certificate is a fraud is the work of two anonymous bloggers.
***Note that they’re independent, and at least one of them has credentials up the kazoo. And there are dozens of others who’ve been on the case, so by this time your statement is bogus.

Why haven’t we heard from a Hawaii official if this certificate has been tampered with?
***That statement strikes me as very naive. The first Hawaiian official who says that is going to have his head chopped off by the democratic party operatives over there.

I have a hard time believing that his mother, 9 months pregnant, flew halfway around the world to a 3rd world nation, had a kid, then flew right back.
***Why is that hard to believe? She was young and stupid and probably clung to some hope that she could put this whole thing together if she could just SEE the father. When she realized she had been treated like a piece of meat, she went back home. No woman from our culture wants to be the unmarried concubine of a man who has more than 1 wife already.

She then proceeded to lie about his birthplace for decades, never telling a soul.
***I’ve seen mention of several people in Kenya that have said they saw Obama born there, and his mother probably did tell other souls. She just wouldn’t have told anyone who would have a vested interest in taking his political career down a notch or two. She seemed very well versed in tweaking the immigration system so that her daughter had an american birth certificate, which suggests she was familiar with the process.

Then the next step in the conspiracy is that Obama, knowing he was not eligible for the Presidency, proceeded to roll the dice anyway and run, hoping that no one would ever figure it out.
***That’s not too far from the probable truth. Maybe Obama himself was lied to by his own mother.

I have a real tough time buying that narrative.
***There have been tougher narratives bought by the American public, such as “I never inhaled” and “I didn’t have sex with that woman”.


453 posted on 08/07/2008 2:06:22 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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