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To: Bear_Slayer

“One’s chromosomes determine anatomy.”
—Agreed.

“Your anatomy does not determine who you are.”
—Sorry, I don’t buy that secular humanist pap.

“One’s anatomy plays a huge role in how the world see’s that person and how that person is required to interact with the world, but one’s anatomy and chromosomes do not determine who they are.”
—Anatomy is the physical reality of a man or woman’s identity. It’s not to be confused with free will. If a man wants to think he’s a woman, he can choose to do that, but it doesn’t negate the physical reality of his XY chromosome. He is living in a delusion.

“Is it simply breasts and a vagina that make a woman significantly different in personality than a man?”
—Along with the physical reality of anatomy, there is also the mental and spiritual realm.

“Why do women like the things they like and do the things they do? Is it because they have a vagina? Obviously not.”
—Having a vagina is only part of it. Don’t forget about the mental and spiritual parts of a whole person.

“There is something innately different about women. I don’t mean anatomically or physiologically. I mean with how they interact in the world.”
—Innately means they were born with an XX chromasome. And yes, I agree women are innately different than men.

“Babies are born with defects all day long. Some of those defects are very visible.”
—Agree. But most transsexuals don’t have this issue. They are either clearly XX or XY. The deviation most likely is mental or spiritual.

“Why is it impossible to understand or believe that a baby could be born male, but innately they are female? It’s no fault of their’s.”
—Because innately a person is born either XX or XY, unless there is a genetic defect of the hermaphrodite. The case there is very rare.

“Freddie Mercury drag queens and cross-dressers are offensive to me, and I believe they do so to shock, or excite certain segments of society. I think they do a gross disservice to those people that were born into bodies and lives that they did not feel at home in.”
—I don’t think Freddie Mercury was an actual transsexual. He didn’t have the surgery, did he? I though he was only a theatrical homosexual. Are you mixing up cross-dressers with transsexuals?

“Their personalities did not match who they were on the inside and they simply wished to live life, and express themselves in a manner that was more comfortable with who they really are.”
—This is a mental/spiritual issue, which has nothing to do with genetics.

“Would you consider a baby born with some visible physical defect, a freak?”
—Not so much a ‘freak,’ but an anomaly. Having a mix-up concerning XX and XY is not normal. But most transsexuals don’t have this problem.

“Why then someone that is born into a body that does not reflect their personality and interests?”
—For the majority of transsexuals, the problem is mental and spiritual. People have the free will to choose their interests, and the personality is also a reflection of mental state. Just because a man wishes he could be a woman doesn’t make is so, even after surgery. The reality of anatomy cannot be denied.

The woman who had surgery to “make her a man” recently had a baby. She may think she’s a man, and media and society may call her a man, but she had a baby. She’s a woman—a very confused woman. That can’t be denied.


28 posted on 08/01/2008 7:30:26 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz
Obviously you are a christian.

In short then you're saying, "God makes babies and God does not make mistakes. Therefore claiming to be a woman makes God a liar and for him to change would be a sin against God."

Explain all the birth defects that exit in the world. Including chromosonal mistakes that exist in determining what anatomical gender a person is?

Yes, God is responsible for the soul of a person, which is the seat of their personality. The soul is where the intellect, likes, dislikes, &etc come from.

You mean to tell me that with all the defects that occur in a fallen world including chromosonal defects, that it is not possible for the soul of a person, that is essentially feminine in nature, to occur in a foetus that develops as a male? Bullshit!

Transsexual don't decide as a passing thought, "Wouldn't be fun to be a woman?"

They struggle all their lives with the fact that they are essentially different than the other people that anatomically look like them. People with dicks.

They're not good at sports, they don't fit in with crowds of men. They have no innate interest in the things that men do, I could go on almost endlessly. However, put them in a room full of women and they fit right in. They excel. Why? Because they are amongst their own.

Are they pussies or wimps -- YES!, but only because they've got a swinging dick. Who they are on the inside is not who they are on the outside. Anatomical women are not pussies and wimps. Why? Because their bodies are inline with who their soul is on the inside.

Transsexuals spend years trying to hide, run from, and suppress the fact that they are not like all the other guys. They try harder. They compete harder, they join the military, they get tattoos, they fight. Not because they like those things, but because they are trying to convince themselves and others that they are just the same, when deep inside they know they are not.

And after years of failing to fit in many turn to suicide. The braver ones, that openly express who they are inwardly, are often killed by those that are freaked out by them. Would you kill an 9-legged baby -- one of God's mistakes or would you fix her through science and medicine?

Shit happens it's a fallen world people are born all the time with defects. It's not mental. Drugs, counseling, repentance, and hanging out with the guys more often does not fix it. I should know. I'm 44 years old. I still got my swinging dick and my tattoos, but inwardly I'm not like the rest of you. I've understood since I was 3 years old.

I'm a christian too. A very conservative one too, but I can't change the fact of who I am. Repentance didn't fix me.

I would still rather be in the kitchen with the women.

Its where I fit in. Trying living in two worlds for 44 years sometime. Its not easy.

Anyhow I'm out. Call me a pussy to my face and I'll kick your a$$.

Give me shit in this forum or any other forum and I will hunt you down in your little world and beat you.

33 posted on 08/02/2008 7:30:47 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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