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To: null and void
"Retroactively putting the adoptive dad's name on the kid's birth certificate is common practice. "

Doesn't that effectively change the meaning of 'father'? The father is whoever is the child's guardian, not who 'fathered' the child?

Sounds like a Socialist/Feminist/Liberal/activist thing.

[I'm not saying you shouldn't have or anything, just pointing out the social engineering aspect of this]

67 posted on 07/31/2008 4:12:46 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: the anti-liberal
I suppose. so. But, I am her father. The only one she has ever known.

BTW, I LOATH the term "social engineering".

Engineering is a collection of things that work.

"Social engineering" is a collection of things that fail.

80 posted on 07/31/2008 4:22:29 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: the anti-liberal

works both ways
hubby and I adopted a son
When the adoption was final, his birth certificate was re-issued with our names as parents. Original certificate was sealed. As I understand it, my son having reached the age of 18 could petition the court to unseal the adoption records if he wanted to.


81 posted on 07/31/2008 4:22:40 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: the anti-liberal
Sounds like a Socialist/Feminist/Liberal/activist thing.

It has been common for a long time that newborns who are given up for anonymous adoption will be given a birth certificate listing them as children of their adoptive parents. In cases not involving newborns, things are somewhat trickier.

Doesn't that effectively change the meaning of 'father'? The father is whoever is the child's guardian, not who 'fathered' the child?

There are significant legal distinctions between guardians and parents. A birth certificate documents that the people listed as mother and father have full parental rights and responsibilities pertaining to the individual described thereon. To say that the child was born to the parents named is a convenient legal fiction; for almost all intents and purposes, there is no legal distinction made between parents who physically gave birth to a child and adoptive parents who are listed on a birth certificate.

It is odd that Obama would seek to change his name back to that of his biological father who abandoned him early on. I wonder whether he ever thought of Mr. Soetoro as his father?

119 posted on 07/31/2008 4:39:58 PM PDT by supercat
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To: the anti-liberal

I have done a lot of adoptions and know this is true. The birth certificate is amended to show the new parents, but it also shows that it is an amended certificate so someone with a trained eye looking at it will know an adoption has taken place.


234 posted on 07/31/2008 7:42:38 PM PDT by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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