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To: CowboyJay
Selling us the rope with which they will hang us...

This is a tired and old statement quoted many times for those critical of free market reforms in China. It was stated by Lenin a long time ago and has nothing to do with China today.

Only through capitalism, can China raise her standard of living. The US and the West has won the ideological battle. So, it's time to let countries like China prosper as a result.

What is happening with China today reminds me of a documentary I saw about Japan back in 1990 or so (before their decade long recession). It went into detail about Japans post war prosperity. And some discussion about American animosity towards it. At the end of the program, an American business man in Japan said "When we defeated Japan, there were three things we wanted from them, to give up military pursuits, be peace at the world, and to devote their energy to economic pursuits. We got all three and now we're unhappy". He chuckled a little at the end of the quote.

But I see the same thing happening with China. The US and her allies has won the idealogical war. And now, there is an uneasiness about China pursuing the same thing the West is. China is developing increased economic cooperation from countries in Latin America, the Middle East, Africa and the Pacific Rim. The exact same thing America is doing. Something that is a result of China abandoning Marxism and embracing capitalism.

Democracy is coming to China for sure. But when it arrives, suspicion and animosity from the US towards China will still be present..... well, at least from today's generation.

67 posted on 07/25/2008 11:29:47 AM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
Democracy is coming to China for sure. But when it arrives, suspicion and animosity from the US towards China will still be present..... well, at least from today's generation.

I think, in a few decades, China will be a democratic country with a plurality of Christians. It will be the world's biggest democracy, economy and military power.

We will probably be living in a multi-polar world, with China playing the role of a stabilizing regional power in East Asia. That may make people in the US today uncomfortable, but it will probably be a good thing for this country as we won't have to play the role of policemen to the entire world.

68 posted on 07/25/2008 11:40:29 AM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: ponder life
You apparently misread my post. I'm not critical of market reforms in China. I'm skeptical as to the logical outcome.

"The US and her allies has won the idealogical war."

By what measure? Totalitarianism seems to be working out fine for them. Nobody in the international community is even calling them on it anymore. Meanwhile Socialism and Authoritarianism continue their creep into our society.

Democracy is coming to China for sure.

Pure speculation. I'll see that and raise:

If and when 'democracy' does come to China, it will strongly resemble the 1930's German version.
69 posted on 07/25/2008 12:07:14 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: ponder life; indcons; robertvance; compound w
ponderlife: What is happening with China today reminds me of a documentary I saw about Japan back in 1990 or so (before their decade long recession). It went into detail about Japans post war prosperity. And some discussion about American animosity towards it. At the end of the program, an American business man in Japan said "When we defeated Japan, there were three things we wanted from them, to give up military pursuits, be peace at the world, and to devote their energy to economic pursuits. We got all three and now we're unhappy". He chuckled a little at the end of the quote.

But I see the same thing happening with China. The US and her allies has won the idealogical war. And now, there is an uneasiness about China pursuing the same thing the West is. China is developing increased economic cooperation from countries in Latin America, the Middle East, Africa and the Pacific Rim. The exact same thing America is doing. Something that is a result of China abandoning Marxism and embracing capitalism.

There are significant differences between the Japanese and the Chinese. The Chinese have not given up military pursuits. They have significant espionage efforts in America - with a couple of dozen ethnic Chinese, or Chinese nationals charged annually. The Chinese sell ballistic missiles to America's enemies. Chinese nuclear bomb plans showed up in Pakistani hands. China props up North Korea's Kim Jong Il with economic aid. It props up Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe with economic aid. It supplied the Taliban with weapons after September 11. The Chinese Propaganda Ministry came up with a video - right after 9/11 - celebrating that event as a well-deserved blow against America. Heck - some Chinese journalists were booted out after being seen applauding at live coverage of the collapse of the Twin Towers, as they were being escorted around the city on a PR junket conducted by State Department staffers.

86 posted on 07/25/2008 7:18:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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