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To: Dr. Sivana

I mentioned most of those points in my article, especially regarding the human rights situation. I agree with you that the Chinese government has a long way to go but I still stand by my original point that China is no longer a communist country based on its economic transformation in the past 30 years.


39 posted on 07/25/2008 6:30:05 AM PDT by robertvance
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To: robertvance

You’re right, of course. I suspect that most of the anti-China folks here haven’t been there or haven’t been there recently. People do speak out, not “against the government,” but against government policies. This seems to be tolerated as long as you don’t touch one of the “third rails” — e.g., Taiwan independence, overthrowing the party, etc.

As long as we’re being provocative, I’ll go a couple steps further:

1. There is more freedom in China today than there was in the American south up to the civil rights movement.

2. China moves toward more freedom for its people while nations like England and Canada often seem to be moving in the opposite direction.

3. If Ayn Rand woke up today in Shanghai or Beijing and took a walk around, she’d ask in amazement, “When were the Communists defeated?”


49 posted on 07/25/2008 7:00:46 AM PDT by compound w
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To: robertvance
I agree with you that the Chinese government has a long way to go but I still stand by my original point that China is no longer a communist country based on its economic transformation in the past 30 years.

You could also argue that China was no longer Marxist-Leninist as soon as they downplayed the need for worldwide Communist revolution and celebrated "Socialism in One Country", a cry that would be at best paradoxical to a true Communist ideologue. They no longer being Communist may be a distinction without a difference.
50 posted on 07/25/2008 7:16:13 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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