It is a fact that the astronauts saw things out there they can’t explain. Doesn’t mean they saw space ships. It does mean there are things going on we don’t understand.
THEY SAW SPACE SHIPS.
SHIPS NO EARTHLINGS had manufactured.
Some as large or larger than that depicted in ID-4
. . . doing things none of our craft could do before they taught us how to build SOME types of the UFO craft.
My relative worked around them.
That is what happens when one plays with ones space gun to much.