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Deny the HIV to AIDS connection and you'll be attacked, crushed, and ruined
Modern Conservative ^ | July 22, 2008 | Clark Baker

Posted on 07/22/2008 9:56:23 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

By Clark Baker

Last June, I posted this report about US hospitals and how many rely on fraud, preventable injuries and infections to patients to compensate for losses due to our government’s insistence that private hospitals treat and care for uninsured and underinsured citizens, indigents, and illegal aliens.

[Photo: Dr. Robert Gallo]

I learned how hospitals destroy good physicians and how predatory hospital chains like Tenet, Kaiser Permanente, and Adventist pressure local physicians already in successful private practice to join their groups. Those who refuse are targeted for sham peer review by corporate administrators and MDs who accuse non-compliant physicians as dangerous, incompetent, or disruptive. While a few tenacious victims expend their life savings to preserve their clinical privileges, others aren’t so lucky. Faced with the malicious and devastating loss of their medical careers, many take their own lives; which is what the health care corporations prefer anyway. To them, it’s only business – nothing personal.

I was never impressed by concerns about “the evils of big pharma.” I assumed that drugs are expensive because of the R & D that goes into finding cures for disease. Until now, I never imagined that some of those same drug companies would support junk science to fund researchers who would then produce expensive drugs that cause illness and disease around the world...


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aids; corruption; duesberg; grid; grids; healthcare; hiv; homosexualagenda; investigation
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1 posted on 07/22/2008 9:56:23 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Deny the HIV to AIDS connection and you'll be attacked, crushed, and ruined

Its the Global Warming of social diseases.

2 posted on 07/22/2008 10:00:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

I took a freind to the pharmacy to get a prescription filled- the cost was $400

When she said that she had no health insurance they re-filled it with a generic equivalent that cot $20

Only in a world where the cost is hidden by ‘co-pays’ is this possible.

And the ‘immediate care’ facility she went to because she has no regular doctor charged her $450 for an ‘emergency’ room visit- where the doctor looked at her scratch (literally) and prescribed an antibiotic- 45 seconds MAX.

When I called to complain they said the time did not matter it was the ‘quality’ of care that mattered.


3 posted on 07/22/2008 10:07:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

I think AIDS is caused by an imbalance of humors.

Perhaps cutting or leeches should be attemtped.


4 posted on 07/22/2008 10:14:42 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

for later


5 posted on 07/22/2008 10:30:26 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Deny the HIV to AIDS connection

...and you too can be the leader of South Africa......in addition to being a loon.

Deny the HIV-AIDS connection and I expect you to willlingly take an injection of these little buggers.

6 posted on 07/22/2008 10:35:00 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Vaquero

Didn’t Robert Koch have a method for sorting all this out.


7 posted on 07/22/2008 10:38:35 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Back in the 80’s or early 90’s you could be a skeptic about the link between HIV and AIDS without being a quack. The evidence was starting to accumulate, but it wasn’t quite settled. That’s not the case today.


8 posted on 07/22/2008 10:49:36 AM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

In the long run, no one will be *ruined* for telling the truth.


9 posted on 07/22/2008 10:56:53 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Deny the link between Gravity and falling and you will be attacked, crushed, and ruined.
10 posted on 07/22/2008 10:58:23 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Here's a pretty simple test. Extract the HIV virus, inject it and see if you catch AIDS. Don't count on me to sign up for that clinical test, but those who say that HIV doesn't cause AIDS shouldn't have any fears about it.
11 posted on 07/22/2008 10:59:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: elmer fudd
Back in the 80’s or early 90’s you could be a skeptic about the link between HIV and AIDS without being a quack. The evidence was starting to accumulate, but it wasn’t quite settled. That’s not the case today.

Well I agree with you about the 80's and 90's. For sure there was no proof then that HIV was the cause of AIDS.

But here we are in the 21st century and if you are correct that the evidence has started to accumulate then it should be an easy thing to provide some links to that information. I've been looking and I can't find it.

Can you help?

12 posted on 07/22/2008 11:38:48 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint
1) HIV is a virus that kills CD4+ T cells or “helper” T cells. This has been demonstrated.

2) People who are HIV positive with high viral loads have a corresponding low CD4+ T cell count. When antiviral medication is used to reduce the viral load, CD4+ T cell counts go up. This correlation between viral load and CD4+ cell count is well documented.

3) People with low CD4+ T cell counts are susceptible to diseases that people with a functioning immune system are not usually susceptible to. This is what we call AIDS as they do have a deficient immune system. This correlation between CD4+ T cells and immune deficiency is also well documented.

Where exactly are you having problems?

13 posted on 07/22/2008 11:55:22 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
The medical industry has an evil face? No kidding. But is this a promo for the Semmelweis Society or support for the idea that HIV is not the causative agent in AIDS? What?
I don't see what point the post is making other than that dissenters from the prevailing “truth” are not treated kindly by those who are invested in the status quo.
14 posted on 07/22/2008 12:01:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: allmendream
Where exactly are you having problems?

I need references to peer reviewed articles in reputable medical journals. As far as I know there is no proof that HIV is the cause of AIDS. I'm looking for that study that proves it does. Show me that study. Just give me a link.

15 posted on 07/22/2008 12:03:20 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/Factsheets/evidhiv.htm

Koch’s postulates met.

Any questions?


16 posted on 07/22/2008 12:08:30 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: InterceptPoint

Aspects of immunopathogenic mechanisms of HIV infection.Feller L, Lemmer J.
Department of Periodontology and Oral Medicine, Box D26, Faculty of Dentistry, Medunsa Campus 0204, University of Limpopo. lfeller@medunsa.ac.za

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection is characterized by progressive deterioration of the immune system nearly always resulting in death. Depletion in the numbers of CD4+ T cells is the hallmark of HIV infection and is central to the development of the clinical signs and symptoms that are characteristic of HIV disease. Other factors influencing the progression of HIV disease include the HIV viral load, the nature of the particular infecting HIV, and the level of competence of the immune effector cells.

PMID: 18500104 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


17 posted on 07/22/2008 12:19:27 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: elmer fudd
OK, at first I was thinking to my self that you had to be crazy to think HIV didn't cause AIDS. I started to read they report, expectivg some UFO conspiracy theory.

Well, thats now what it was. I urge you to read it for your self. It really makes you wonder if HIV/AIDS is more of a political issue than a medical fact.

http://www.modernconservative.com/videos/Gallos_Egg_17Jul08.pdf

18 posted on 07/22/2008 12:40:41 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: xDGx
"With regard to postulate #1, numerous studies from around the world show that virtually all AIDS patients are HIV-seropositive; that is they carry antibodies that indicate HIV infection."

Sorry but antibodies of an infection are not proof of infection. They are proof of a past infection. You cannot substitute an HIV antibody test for the virus itself and therefor you cannot use this to show the strong association required by Koch. Plus Koch requires a strong correlation. That strong correlation does not exist with the HIV virus.

19 posted on 07/22/2008 12:44:02 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

“virtually all” is not a strong correlation? Just what then do you think the word “correlation” means?


20 posted on 07/22/2008 12:53:56 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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