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To: jwparkerjr; All; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; 1035rep; 1curiousmind; 4woodenboats; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Philosophically, in a perfect world, your mindset may have some value but in the pragmatic world where the Mullahs have sucked out ALL the oxygen out of the atmosphere, the Persians you want to oppose the Mullahs cannot breathe let alone activate their desires or opposition.

There is a Persian expression akin to Monday morning quarterbacking, where someone yells at one of the contestants in a wrestling match telling him to grab and lock a leg (lengesh koon). Easier said than done.

Your proposal is currently not implementable other than as exclamations for those of us who shout “grab and lock his leg”!

$530 million (at least) has been spent on the Bassiji Suppression Brigades/forces on training and equipping them and TWO MILLION new recruits spread out throughout Islamic Iran to instantly snuff out the first sign of dissent or any presence in the streets.

The current stated, operative tactic and strategy of the Mullahs is to IGNORE dangers from outside the borders and concentrate on suppressing and preventing internal challenges/threats.

As long as there is the Bassiji, the Passdaran (Revolutionary Guards) and a RUTHLESS order to kill or maim at will, without fear of consequences, for these operatives when aimed at the people, how the heck do you expect the populace to fight for their freedoms?

And, since we have a desperate lack of high level leadership, consititutional monarchy, high ranking military (past or present) Mojaheddin MEK, even Communists, or a anyone else I can see in any sector, including other clerics, who are ready to lead the overthrow, for WHOM should the populace lay their lives on the line in the streets or even in private?

Only after the paramilitary forces of the Passdaran, Bassijis and plethora of bloodthirsty “security” units are destroyed by bombing to eradicate them (even at the cost of as many as 20 or 30 THOUSAND civilians as collateral damage, will the other 70 plus MILLION Iranians have a chance to act for their freedom.

Till then we have what we have and what we have is becoming even more dangerous as expanded nuclear weapon capabality - in a matter of months - kicks in, so we have a choice of “defeat or be defeated”.

Way, way past talking.

Dep. Secretary Burns of State, going to Europe to join Solana at his meetings with Islamic Iran’s nuclear negotiator Jalili, clearly indicates the USA has reached the end of its tether and patience and if Iran continues to avoid and evade, we will hit them hard.

President Bush has already given the amber light to an attack. Meaning have everything ready for his green light order to launch the already long planned military attacks.

Burns’ direct presence is the last straw of our patience and the clearest warning of this.


9 posted on 07/16/2008 7:05:03 PM PDT by FARS (I)
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To: FARS
Dep. Secretary Burns of State, going to Europe to join Solana at his meetings with Islamic Iran’s nuclear negotiator Jalili, clearly indicates the USA has reached the end of its tether and patience and if Iran continues to avoid and evade, we will hit them hard.

Like we hit North Korea 'hard'? Sorry FRiend, I don't think so. The foreign policy of this Administration has mutated into a moldy variant of Albright/Carter-lite. All talk, no action, and appeasement served up with a nice low calorie salad plate. Burns with Iran, Hill with North Korea, they're nothing but babbling clowns who will sell anything and anyone down the river (just ask the North Korean people about that) in order to wave that silly paper in the air ala Chamberlain and proclaim 'peace in our time, ok, a few minutes maybe, but peace for a few minutes!', all in the interest of promoting themselves as the next Henry Kissinger, and Condi the Piano Player is the worst one of them all, a total sell out.

President Bush has already given the amber light to an attack. Meaning have everything ready for his green light order to launch the already long planned military attacks.

That comes out of the UK media and considering that Israel has never sought or required a "green light" from ANYbody to defend themselves, I doubt that they're sitting on the edge of their seats, waiting for President Legacy to throw down a green flag like some environmentally-correct NFL referee.

Burns’ direct presence is the last straw of our patience and the clearest warning of this.

Burns will put in an order for one million Persian carpets, get on his hands and knees and offer his nether regions to Ahmadinejad and then beg the Iranians to hold off the inevitable nuclear detonation for just six more months and five more days.

But FARS? I hope you're right, I truly do.
10 posted on 07/16/2008 7:23:07 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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To: FARS

Watching developments today re Iran, i had an impression that Achminanutjob really believes he is the 12th Prophet or the 12th Imam, Or it may be a ruse to make the Mullahs think he is the 12th Imam if he says he will stand aside when the 12th Imam arrives—which of course will never happen, thereby leaving Ach-job at the top of the civilian-Mullah heap..He and the Mullahs rule by terror and the Mullahs stick with him as he is a source of their strength too...Take him out and it may be like taking out a base card from a House of Cards..He is truly a madman having had no opposition to counter him since the days of old when he was instrumental in holding our hostages for 444 days..He was present at the birth of his revolutionary nation- another source of his power..He is a very dangerous madman...He may even fantasize that a nuclear explosion will bring back the 12th Imam and thereby signify the start of dominance of Islam throughout the entire world...


11 posted on 07/16/2008 7:25:58 PM PDT by billmor (The American Voter--the Sleeping Tiger. Kicked in the back end.)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


14 posted on 07/16/2008 8:40:32 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: FARS
Meaning have everything ready for his green light order to launch the already long planned military attacks.

FARS,

Do you realize that the Defense Department has plans to attack every nation on the planet, including Canada?

That is part of their job, planning for every contingency. Yes, they have planned attacks for Iran. It does not mean they will be implemented in a timely fashion.

Besides, you realize that Congress, let alone the ignorant masses, will howl if another police action is started in the Middle East. Bush has no wiggle room. He will never authorize an attack on Iran on his watch. It would be a political nightmare for the Republican party.

There is no way the Bush Administration would hand over the White House to Obama in this fashion.

15 posted on 07/16/2008 8:46:27 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


16 posted on 07/16/2008 9:29:56 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: FARS; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Thanks FARS.
The Iranian mullahocracy has been at war with this country since it came to power in 1979... Its proxy army, Hezbollah, has taken over Lebanon and operates terror cells from Iraq to Latin America and even inside the United States.

17 posted on 07/16/2008 9:59:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: FARS

Excellent points. They are many of the same points I have made in numerous posts concerning our efforts in Iraq. They have never led what we would consider a ‘normal’ life.

We are dealing with a people who have an entirely different view of life from us. They simply take whatever they want, if they can and if not, then they work on getting the ability to do so. They see any willingness to negotiate or compromise as an admission of inability to take what they want. Where we value mercy they have no concept of it.


19 posted on 07/16/2008 10:45:05 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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