[Mr Ramsbotham]

This is one sign of a society whose citizens have lost faith in the ability of the society right to protect themselves from crime.

True, but I was referring to the punishment phase, which is the distinct obligation of the society at large.

[numberonepal]

True, but I was referring to the punishment phase, which is the distinct obligation of the society at large.

10-4. However, one is the cause and the other the effect.