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US Suffers Heavy Afghan Losses (Reports of 8 or 9 killed in Kunar Province Attack)
BBC ^ | Sunday, July 13, 2008

Posted on 07/13/2008 10:16:53 AM PDT by kristinn

At least eight US soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan in clashes with Taleban militants.

US commander Daniel Dwyer told the BBC the soldiers had been killed in clashes in the north-east of the country.

The BBC's Martin Patience in Kabul says it is one of the biggest single losses in a day for the coalition since the start of military operations there.

The attack came as international and Afghan security forces battled militants on several fronts.

On Sunday, US forces said 40 insurgents had been killed in Helmand province in the past 24 hours.

There are conflicting reports as to where the latest attack took place.

A foreign military spokesman said US soldiers and members of the Afghan National Army came under attack in Kunar province, near the border with Pakistan.

But Afghan officials insist the fighting took place in neighbouring Nuristan Province.

Nato reported that a small American Combat Outpost in Dara-I-Pech district of Kunar Province, came under heavy fire at around 04.30 local time.

It said insurgents had fired "with small arms, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars using homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover."

Local officials say a number of civilians and militants were killed in the attack.

Our correspondent says there are frequent attacks in the area.

In a separate incident on Sunday, a suicide bomber killed at least 21 people, many of them children, in a market in the Deh Rawud district of Uruzgan province.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bbc; fallen; oef; propagandawingofdnc; soldiers; taliban
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To: reluctantwarrior

Think Lang Vei SF outpost in I Corps RVN 1967, or, Plei Me in 1965. Lang Vei was actually penetrated by NVA sappers and overrun by regulars, before relief from Khe Sanh Combat Base could get there. I suppose the outposts in Afghanistan are smaller and less heavily armed and fortified than a SF camp in RVN, but don’t know for sure.


101 posted on 07/14/2008 11:08:26 AM PDT by astounded (The Democrat Party is a Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
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To: kristinn

One of the brave soldiers killed was from Forsyth County Georgia, where I live. He and his young wife attend my parent’s church. He was supposed to come home on FRIDAY!
God Bless all of their families!


102 posted on 07/14/2008 11:55:59 AM PDT by georgiagirl_pam
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To: kristinn
I think we’ve reached the point with the tribal regions on the Pak-Afghan border that we should just start bombing the crap out those Taliban strongholds in Pakistan until they are destroyed.

I'm with you, and I further think that if ever there was a legitimate use for nuclear weapon, this would be it.

103 posted on 07/14/2008 1:54:19 PM PDT by webheart (I am Webheart, and I approved this post.)
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To: Chgogal
1st Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group (Airborne)

I ain't gunna post his name,,,

We may have lost 10 guys not 9,,,

Date matches...

104 posted on 07/14/2008 3:56:45 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
It is already published....I emailed VR. He was right. A terrible loss. My heart sank when I saw it was 10 instead of 9. I know Soldiers do what they do and know the risks, but I still hate losing the best of the best. It always breaks my heart. But I am so very glad they got a good many of the Bastardos. It cost the Taliban/Al Qaeda their very best too. Despite the surprise attack, they didn't gain ground and they had to hide behind women and children for THEIR safety. The Taliban/Al Qaeda acted like the puny little cowards they are.
105 posted on 07/14/2008 4:08:23 PM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: kristinn
God bless our troops and their families.

"US Suffers Heavy Afghan Losses"

Whomever wrote this might wish to websearch "World War."

106 posted on 07/14/2008 4:08:43 PM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

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107 posted on 07/14/2008 4:11:13 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Chgogal
I didn't want to post names till all were released,,,

This was a small group so families may know the guys he

was with,,,

That link I posted down thread says the force that hit

them may have been up to 500 strong and lost 100 or so,,,

Battle lasted most of the day,,,

FOX just reported more US Troops sent into the AO,,,

Looks like the 173rd.Airborne has gone HUNTIN’...

108 posted on 07/14/2008 4:43:41 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
173rd 2/503 - Go get the bastards. Happy hunting and make them pay. By all means dip them bullets in pig fat. At the very least tell them that you did.
109 posted on 07/14/2008 4:53:24 PM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: Chgogal

Which ever units it is will be out for blood...


110 posted on 07/14/2008 5:10:10 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Rest assured - Several different units are operating / hunting in this AO - With much intensity -


111 posted on 07/14/2008 7:16:15 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: fso301
Soldiers may have just dropped their guard and bunched up

Or how about this -

A handful of troops were dropped off on the side of a remote mountain - with pickaxes - to pickax out a shelf to set up a small firebase in the middle of "Taliban Central" - they had only been there a couple-three days - not enough time to have much in the way of a defensible position - and I can almost guarantee you, not enough detection devices to alert them of the enemy creeping up on them and obviously, we had no eyes in the sky watching out for them - or we could have seen that many enemy - a small, a VERY SMALL unit against what they are now saying up to 300 enemy...

The mountains in the Kunar are the infamous Hindu Kush - just the terrain itself is dangerous. It so isolated that the locals don't even speak Afghani - but Pastu.

This little band of soldiers were like ducks in a shooting gallery...and I can tell you one thing with certainty -

these soldiers did not "just drop their guard and bunch up"

Smoke it.

112 posted on 07/14/2008 8:54:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: DevSix

I don’t think moozzi had time to scoot across the border,,,

Can’t run too fast in that area,,,

Maybe a UAV will catch them tryin’ to move at night...


113 posted on 07/14/2008 8:54:22 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: fso301
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7504952.stm

a bit more information and a video as well as a pic showing what one of those little mountainside firebases look like - overrun by up to 300 - picture yourself in that situation...and I can all but guarantee you that air cover was not as swift as it should have been - indeed, they never should have had to call for it - the head honchos should already have had eyes in the sky over watching them -

114 posted on 07/14/2008 9:09:12 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: wardaddy
He was a first-on-the-ground hire by the CIA working with the Northern Alliance. That was an ancient prison where the bad guys were being held and it was also where Johnny Jihad the Marin County Lib Raised Brat was complicit in Spann’s death by not alerting him when he knew the prisoner revolt was coming. Spann was killed by a mob....they tore and beat him to death. Typical of Kush savages.

Dude, you need to get your facts straight. Spann wasn't a CIA hire...he was CIA.

Second, where the hell did you get the idea the Johnny Walker Lind had anything to do with his death? Johnny was a poor grunt who was never fully trusted. He was a low level fighter, nothing more.

I've read many accounts of Mr Lind, but I'm not sure I've read anything you've posted.

I'm not a big Johnny fan, but let's not dump all the worlds problems on him.

He is the scum on this earth and worse than I can describe, but he is not responsible for everything bad that happened in Afghanistan. This is an example where you shouldn't believe everything you hear about someone and understand, there are things that you will never see.

115 posted on 07/14/2008 9:15:08 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: maine-iac7

From the little that I can discern, our Soldiers gave back as good as they got. See Post #107, if you have not already done so. I like those unconfirmed numbers. Patton would be proud.


116 posted on 07/14/2008 9:16:45 PM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: maine-iac7

From the little that I can discern, our Soldiers gave back as good as they got. See Post #107, if you have not already done so. I like those unconfirmed numbers. Patton would be proud.


117 posted on 07/14/2008 9:16:45 PM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: Chgogal

Thanks -0 I hadn’t seen that link - but here’s another with a video of the NATO guy and a pic of what one of those new little firebases look like - imagine getting attacked by 100’s

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7504952.stm

I’d say they pulled off a ‘ Thermopylae’


118 posted on 07/14/2008 9:47:37 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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To: maine-iac7
all but guarantee you that air cover was not as swift as it should have been - indeed, they never should have had to call for it - the head honchos should already have had eyes in the sky over watching them

Who knows, weather may have been adverse for air operations. Many things are possible. Perhaps a chain of improbable events led to this. What I can say with confidence is nothing new in the annals of human conflict happened here.

119 posted on 07/14/2008 9:48:38 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
What I can say with confidence is nothing new in the annals of human conflict happened here.

Right. Just another day at the office.

Of course, you probably don't have a family member there - you might not seem to take it as cavalierly as your 2 posts sound.

120 posted on 07/14/2008 9:53:45 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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