Posted on 07/04/2008 6:29:59 AM PDT by rhema
Since the NEA is, as any union, all about the jobs for members, being pro-abortion is equivalent to the eating of the seed corn by farmers.
As the Guinness Brothers say —— “BRILLIANT!!!”
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Thank you for your efforts on behalf of the unborn.
We Protestants and Catholics need to spend more time fighting abortion and other travesties in our Society rather than fighting each other over Doctrine.
We are all followers of Jesus and there’s more to unite us than there is to divide us.
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Why not get their names and congratulate them?
Why not write to the NEA and tell them to support these teachers.
Or is it just easier to sit around fanning yourself with your Ph.D. and make sweeping generalizations about how bad the system is?
what are you talking about?
This is the first I have seen this thread.
By the way I have a doctorate but it is not a Ph.D.
I am talking about the appearance of hypocrisy, You are always among the first to condemn, how about singing the praises of these dedicated teachers and students?
sorry!
I haven’t read the thread yet, and I was pinged for a comment even before I knew the thread existed.
Later ( maybe)
Makes me think I need to check the NEA plans for this weekend, and change mine. Very likely will happen and maybe I'll have something to report back.
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So long as wintertime is extorted to pay the bills of the public schools or whatever most are, she gets to complain. We call it the First Amendment and it guarantees freedom for the speech that offends even tax-pampered gummint employees. In fact, that was probably the founders' exact intention. Give up access to the tax money and you will probably hear less criticism because no one will care during the transition to educational excellence in the private sector.
As I understand it, resistance to lavish or any gummint expenditures on "public" "schools" is quite consistent with conservatism. There are lesser arguments (a need for universal literacy, for example) that can be made for the other side and called somehow "conservative."
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If you do get to that NEA convention, please find any display hall where competing vendors are hawking “curricula”, get samples and tell us what uou find. Likewise, the resolutions considered and enacted by NEA. Good luck and God bless.
I can't understand why there hasn't been a big media splash about the protest.
And while you're at it, maybe you'll find the opportunity to ask an NEA bigwig about political contributions that don't come close to matching the political diversity of their membership:
OpenSecrets.org has chronicled the top 100 political givers from 1989-2008. The top 16 appear below, the two teacher unions being #7 and 16. After the group's name and cumulative dollars donated, the first percentage is donations to Democrats, the second percentage to Republicans.
1 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $39,392,153 98% 1%
2 AT&T Inc $39,065,076 43% 56%
3 National Assn of Realtors $32,336,506 47% 52%
4 American Assn for Justice $28,727,389 90% 9%
5 Goldman Sachs $28,701,957 62% 36%
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $27,898,934 97% 2%
7 National Education Assn $27,713,779 93% 6%
8 Laborers Union $26,503,339 91% 7%
9 Service Employees International Union $25,931,093 95% 3%
10 Carpenters & Joiners Union $25,627,582 89% 9%
11 Teamsters Union $24,992,064 92% 7%
12 Communications Workers of America $24,871,179 99% 0%
13 American Medical Assn $24,728,871 38% 61%
14 United Auto Workers $24,343,620 98% 0%
15 Citigroup Inc $24,271,821 49% 50%
16 American Federation of Teachers $24,113,243 98% 0%
For those keeping score of NEA-AFT contributions at home: $49,887,057 to Democrats, $1,662,827 to Republicans.
I would agree that resistance to federal spending on education is consistent with conservatism, since there is nothing in the Constitution about education being a function of the federal government.
However, powers not granted to the federal government are reserved by the states, and my state's constitution says that public education is a primary function of the state government. State spending on education is therefore constitutional in at least some states.
One could argue that given our current world, federal standards for education would improve our national competitiveness, but that is a totally different discussion.
There are lesser arguments (a need for universal literacy, for example) that can be made for the other side and called somehow "conservative."
Yes, Thomas Jefferson himself made the argument that our form of government required an educated citizenry if it were to continue, and he advocated for a public education system for that reason.
I'm guessing that most of us consider Thomas Jefferson's ideas to be quite conservative, although for his time they were extremely liberal. ;-)
My problem with wintertime has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it is abuse of freedom of speech. The founders never intended that freedom to be absolute., ie yelling fire in a crowded theater.
wintertime has established a pattern of:
1) referring to the entire public school system as evil.
2) referring to public school employees as leftists, Marxist, and useful idiots.
She is certainly entitled to hold these views. Since there are a number of us that as public school employees are conservatives, are not Marxists, and have IQ's higher then 90, she is not entitled to use the label of ALL.
By her own admission she refuses to work within the system to make improvements. She has not run for a school board not done anything else to reform the system.
As a matter of fact her action of removing conservatives from the system virtually assures the liberals a louder voice.
Quite frankly some one needs to take her aside and let her know that these fanatical views of hers paint the conservative movement in a bad light and make our work more difficult.
As long as she continues to label us ALL with such a broad sweeping brush I will call her on it.
When I view her posts as abusive I will ask to have them removed and when she is over the top I will ask to have her banned.
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