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How Kosovo Created its Own Liberal Islam
Standpoint ^ | July 2008 | MICHAEL J. TOTTEN

Posted on 06/29/2008 5:50:12 AM PDT by forkinsocket

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To: NYC Republican; FormerLib; Bokababe; eleni121; Kolokotronis; lightman

...You’re Serbs, you have an obvious bias...

There you go again with the same old stuff, NYC Albanian. “Only Serbs are biased, everyone else [especially Balkan muslims and New World Order suporters] is objective.” There’s no logic to that, only your own deep prejudice!!!!

The Serbs liked me just fine when I was Lutheran, as did the Greeks. Now (as of April 19, 2008), I’m an Orthodox Christian. When I became Orthodox, I didn’t start suddenly hating Lutherans—I still love them. My love increased when I became Orthodox, not my hate. So you’re all wet as usual!


241 posted on 07/03/2008 7:08:08 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Bokababe

Guess what? I’m not Albanian... Nice try


242 posted on 07/03/2008 7:26:05 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...Doesn't have the stomach or heart to fight.)
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To: eleni121

Nope- you’re the retard, you dolt


243 posted on 07/03/2008 7:26:56 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...Doesn't have the stomach or heart to fight.)
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To: NYC Republican

This is a Russian T90S tank. I'm gonna laugh my a$$ off when a couple thousand of them roll into Kosovo.

244 posted on 07/03/2008 7:57:29 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: NYC Republican

You certainly apologize for them though, buy any organs recently on the open market?


245 posted on 07/03/2008 9:07:56 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Bokababe; BabaYaga

“Bin Laden mosque, Vitina, Kosovo, renamed “Medina Mosque” so as not jeopardize the transfer of stolen property ... “Kosovo”.”

Who renamed it, when and how did the Serbs find this out? No one else picked this up, but the Serb propagandists. Did you get that at the Serb propaganda site you’re promoting or did you hear it at an Serbs4Obama rally?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1979378/posts

Wow, he said Albanians kids were as friendly as Arab and Kurd kids so they must be Jihadis. Did Iraq pay the Serbs yet for fortifying Saddam’s SAM sites to shoot down US planes?

Who cares that Reagan liked the paper 20 years ago?

Babayaga, you are a few steps below a joke: I told you write a paper and publish it. Or better erect a statue of this ‘Serb’ hero. Every sane person seems to think he was an Albanian, prove them wrong. Regarding Sokolovic and Sinan Pasha: We’ve forgiven the Serb treachery in the Second Kosovo War and the Battle of Nicopolis:
“According to most accounts Stefan was very attached to Bayazid [That’s Uncle Bayazid to Serbs] and remained a steadfast ally to the end. Serbian knights fought alongside th Ottomans in the capture of Nicopolis and accompanied Bayazid in his campaigns to Asia minor...Bayazid offered his Serbian allies an equitable share of the booty and further ensured his loyalty by supporting the Orthodox Church”
The Balkan Wars: Conquest, Revolution, and Retribution from the Ottoman by André Gerolymatos
http://books.google.com/books?id=vpg8M9E4-94C&pg=PA26&dq=Stefan+Lazarevic+nicopolis&sig=ACfU3U0J8Cd18Jad2QiDntpjM9NogslfwQ

For this, and the extermination attemps from Serbs that followed, not yet: “Isa Boletini and Idriz Seferi tried to halt westward advance of Ottoman troops, but they were outflanked by the army, which had been given the assistance of local Serbs and serbian school teachers to guide them through mountains” (N.Malcolm ‘Kosovo a short history’ 241).


246 posted on 07/03/2008 9:43:18 AM PDT by Santino Sonny Corleone
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To: BabaYaga

“we all know Belgrade was about 300 under Ottoman occupation, fell 1521”

That’s because HUNGARIANS were defending it. Stop it with these ridiculous claims, I don’t have time to answer them all. Tell us instead of Illyrian kings of Serbian origin.
http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_Roman_Emperors_from_modern_Serbia_%28deleted_09_Jun_2008_at_15:32%29


247 posted on 07/03/2008 9:53:47 AM PDT by Santino Sonny Corleone
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To: NYC Republican
"Guess what? I’m not Albanian... Nice try"

Guess what? Never said that you were.

248 posted on 07/03/2008 9:58:03 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: wendy1946

You go ahead and side with the Russian commie scum, all the other rogue commie nations that support Serbia in this battle... I support the U.S. and most of the EU... Besides, the Russians don’t have the balls to go in there. It’s just a lot of ho air


249 posted on 07/03/2008 10:55:17 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...Doesn't have the stomach or heart to fight.)
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To: wendy1946

You go ahead and side with the Russian commie scum, all the other rogue commie nations that support Serbia in this battle... I support the U.S. and most of the EU... Besides, the Russians don’t have the balls to go in there. It’s just a lot of ho air


250 posted on 07/03/2008 11:30:26 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...Doesn't have the stomach or heart to fight.)
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To: NYC Republican

Do you remember why we fought the first Gulf War?


251 posted on 07/03/2008 12:03:58 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: NYC Republican

Tell it to the link, not me.


252 posted on 07/03/2008 12:49:40 PM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: montyspython
buy any organs recently on the open market?

ROFL!!!

253 posted on 07/03/2008 12:51:32 PM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: BabaYaga

Brilliant post!! I really enjoyed it. Thank you.


254 posted on 07/03/2008 12:53:19 PM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: NYC Republican

Oh yeah, and the link from which I got those “lies”
was a story from the Washington Times.


255 posted on 07/03/2008 12:55:30 PM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: Bokababe; BabaYaga; eleni121; Diocletian; Tailgunner Joe
Talking about lies and myths, Serbs take the #1 place. Lazar surrendered so all your martyrdom over occupation talk is BS:

"The fact that Lazar and a good number of his knights surrendered in a vain attempt to save their lives did not excuse Vuk's failure to continue fighting...in truth the story of Vuk's treason was the direct result of a propaganda campaign initiated by Milica's supporter's [Serbian Queen Milica is the Sultan's mother in law too] as part of her quarrel with the prince."

By http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Gerolymatos a Greek professor page 29.
The Balkan Wars: Conquest, Revolution, and Retribution from the Ottoman Era to the Twentieth Century and Beyond page 29
256 posted on 07/03/2008 1:40:27 PM PDT by Santino Sonny Corleone
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To: NYC Republican

We DIDN”T fight the first Gulf War to because “Saddam Hussein was a murderous **shole”, even though he was. We didn’t fight it because “Saddam Hussein was a perceived threat to the US” or a whole list of other reasons. We fought the first Gulf War to defend the the sovereignty of Kuwait when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

Why did we defend Kuwait’s sovereignty? Because “sovereignty” is the international equivalent of “private property”. Just like you and I hold title to our houses and land, regardless of whether we choose to rent out that property to others or not, countries hold title to the property of their countries. Of course a government of one country can by mutual agreement and legal means, choose to relinquish or sell part of that property to another country or ethnic group, just as individuals can, but no one has the right to seize it by force — anymore than our government has the right to come and take our land from us illegally. Again, sovereignty is “national private property”. The only political groups who challenge those (national or personal) private property rights are socialists and communists who think that a government has a right to question your use of your land and take your land if they don’t like what you are doing with it or if they think that they think that they have “a better use for it”.

Kosovo is and was sovereign Serbia. Kosovo was and is the national property of Serbia. Now we may not have liked what Serbia was doing with the land in Kosovo, but it was hers to do with as she pleased. Serbs didn’t have to be “a majority in Kosovo” for Kosovo to justify her ownership of that property, anymore than I have to live in every piece of property I own in order to justify my ownership of it. I have the title and the deed to my property and Serbia has her sovereignty that should have been defended by international law.

The international court should have protected Serbia’s interests, but the problem is that all the Judges (countries) were also participants in the seizure of Kosovo (under NATO) and the governments of those who now recognize “Kosovo independence”, are all socialists or on their way to it — including our own! These “judges” made their decisions based on their own personal interests and “best use of land” instead of property rights.

NATO also used the old Robin Hood, “taking from the (undeserving) rich to give to the poor” spin to make NATO in this case look like the good guys, which they weren’t.

NATO marched into Kosovo with all the diplomatic aplomb of the Soviet Union marching into Poland. We spit on national sovereignty the same way that Communist Russia once did to its former satellites. We did what we wanted, not because it was morally right, but because we could. We built a permanent military base in Kosovo a year after we got there, and it was pretty clear then that we were not going home, nor were we ever going to give Kosovo back no matter what kind of government was running Serbia. We never tried to negotiate with Serbia, we just told them and our Albanian proteges, “Kosovo is independent” period, because we said so —we don’t give a rat’s behind what you think because we are more powerful than you.

Eastern Europeans see this comparison to previous Soviet behavior, even formerly communist Russia sees this, which is why they are fighting us on it — because they see “a weak spot” — they know that the same weak spot that sunk their communist system — the arrogant need for military expansionism for its own sake — the US has now been infected with. The tables have been turned and they are leveraging our own hegemonic hubris against us, diplomatically, the same way we did it to them and eventually won. And, if indeed they are right, we are totally screwed.

So you can hate Russia all you want, for whatever reasons you want. But when we in the US start defending “best use of land” instead of national sovereignty (private property rights); when we start defending the idea that “might alone makes right” and international law and property rights mean nothing; when those in charge of meeting out “justice” are corrupt socialists who are on the take, themselves — then Serbs aren’t the only people who should be very very afraid. Because what they do to the citizens of other countries, they will one day do to us!


257 posted on 07/03/2008 1:42:26 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
As far as Saddam was concerned, Kuwait was part of Iraq. He learned the same lesson as the Serbs: "possession is nine-tenths of the law".

It's not yours if you can't defend it.

258 posted on 07/03/2008 1:52:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Bokababe

First it’s funny seeing you using “we” for US when your loyalties lie with Serbia judging by your posts.

Second, the world powers desire PEACE. If it means adjusting the same borders they set, so be it. They giveth, they taketh.

Third, there is no unlimited sovereignty. Just as free speech and other are limited so is sovereignty. Many wanted the US to intervene in Rwanda, just as we went in Somalia. Had US not stopped Saddam, he would have done the same in Saudi Arabia and other smaller states. Had US stopped Serbia in Bosnia, they (I mean you) would not have gone in Kosovo.


259 posted on 07/03/2008 2:28:24 PM PDT by Santino Sonny Corleone
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To: NYC Republican
You're forgetting that they [Serbs] slaughtered...over 200,000...in Bosnia.

You seem to have a short memory NYC Rep.

Allow me to refresh your memory - using your own words - in the context of Bosnia.

March 26, 2008

3:23:47 PM. NYC Rep. (to Me): "From Wikipedia... Multiple sources show 100,000"....

3:24:20 PM. NYC Rep. (to Joan): "I will go by the 100,000 figure when citing war deaths..."

260 posted on 07/03/2008 4:49:48 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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