What's in a Name: Who Is an African American?

DiversityInc ^ | 26 June | Raymond Arroyo

[sushiman]

Can you jump ?

[scrabblehack]

I would agree the near approximation is vulgar. However “Negro” is not. Throughout our language, the Greco-Latin derived words tend to be the “upper class words” while the Anglo-Saxon derived words are the common terms. Cf. lavatory and bathroom, pagan and heathen, boreal and northern.

I suspect “Negro” will come back some day, probably for the wrong reasons.

[barb-tex]

My 6-great-grand mother, named Margretha Doorn, was born in Capetown South Africa. I am therefore a certifiable African American. When the NEW PRESIDENT takes over, I intend to apply for those reparations he is promising.
barbra ann

[Altura Ct.]

I always thought it was victim.

[G.Mason]

Sounds reasonable to me ... but then we are living in an unreasonable age.

Like P8triot1, I was born in The United States, and am therefore, a native American.

[Old Badger]

"I many be mistaken, but was it not blacks who first began this practice of hyphenation?"

If I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am, I recall the Reverend Jesse Jackson coining the the term African-American in the 60's. It was during what they called their cultural identity crisis in which he said that they "weren't Americans, they were African-Americans."

[rlmorel]

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

If I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am, I recall the Reverend Jesse Jackson coining the the term African-American in the 60's. It was during what they called their cultural identity crisis in which he said that they "weren't Americans, they were African-Americans

Well there you have it.

While around in the 60's (mostly serving in the USAF overseas, including 18 months in Nam) I was not especially paying attention to the likes of the phony reverend preaching hate and discontent amongst the natives.

Gee, can I say that??

But if you are right, then it would stand to reason that having his imprimatur, would have given it legitimacy--though I'm convinced that MLK would not have agreed and don't ever remember him making any such distinction.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

Lot of “white” Americans refer to themselves as Italian-American, German-American or Irish-American.

You are absolutely correct.

HOWEVER, this practice by some of the "hyphenated" groups you refer to, (and which I would suggest are probably libs) did not begin until AFTER the African-American moniker was pronounced to the the riguer and an acceptable moniker.

[Chode]

yup... for years legal immigrants Americanized their names to sound MORE American, or changed their name completely as they started a new life...

[Verginius Rufus]

Madagascar was first settled from people from what is now Indonesia or Malaysia—the Malagasy language is a member of the Malayo-Polynesian family. After Madagascar was settled, some people were brought there as slaves from mainland Africa, so some of the people may have some African ancestry, but the Malayo-Indonesian element predominates.

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Lot of “white” Americans refer to themselves as Italian-American, German-American or Irish-American.

But not "European-American", whatever that means. "African-American" lumps a vast number of peoples from an entire continent into a single ethnic group.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Yes added to Black Americans, Mexican Americans, as well as the whole panoply of other "Hyphenated Americans," is it any wonder that we have stopped being a melting pot where all assimilate and strive to become, just, AMERICANS?

This is all part of a larger goal by the Left, the subjugation of America. So is feminism, gay rights, political correctness, etc. The idea is to divide and conquer by sowing confusion and resentment among the various groups resulting in fragmentation rather than cohesion.

[Riverman94610]

Clemenza,what was your girlfriend’s take on the whole”Are Egyptians black”controversy?
I ask that because I have had several Egyptian co-workers of various hues and facial shapes,ranging from very European to one dude who was dead on Mike Tyson!
From what I can gather,the further south you go toward Thebes and Aswan,the darker complected people become more numerous.Seems that there has historically been a lot of mixing between these southern Egyptians and the Nubians of the area.
I noticed that when they made the movie on Anwar Sadat a while back,Lou Gossett played Sadat.And it was sure an eerie resemblance.

[Riverman94610]

I work around blacks every day.I almost never hear honky,cracker or whitey.
But I sure hear nigga a lot!

[Altura Ct.]

“Lot of “white” Americans refer to themselves as Italian-American, German-American or Irish-American.”

Of course it depends on what the ambiguous term “lot” means but I dispute that anyway. Maybe my friends and associates are unique. We may on occasion talk about our heritage but I don’t know anyone who refers to themselves as a English-American or Italian-American or whatever.

[Clemenza]

Cities like Cairo and Alexandria were cosmopolitan for centuries, attracting Arabs, Greeks, Nubians, Kushites (Ethiopians), Slavs (brought as slaves), Armenians, etc. This is why Egyptians vary in appearance from dark skinned/wooly haired to fair and hazel eyed. They are not "pure Arabs", even though modern Egypt is almost entirely Arabic speaking.

Nubians would be considered "black" by appearance, although they have more delicate (for lack of a better word) features than west Africans. Back in the days of racial junk science, they were categorized as "Hamitic/Semitic", like the Ethiopians, the latter of which STILL believe they are the descendants of Solomon and Sheba.

Ann is a Coptic Christian, olive skinned and semitic in appearance like most Arabs from Lebanon through Yemen. Nevertheless, Copts claim to be the direct descendants of the "pure" Egyptians who lived there prior to the Arab conquest (ie descendants of the pharoahs).

[Riverman94610]

I concur with your analysis of the Egyptian”racial”strain.It is interesting to look at busts and paintings of some of the ancient Egyptians.Nefertari looks very European but check out Tut’s grandmother,Queen Tiy sometime.She looks like Maxine Waters.
Poor child!

[Eternal_Bear]

You are completely wrong. German-American and Irish-American were in use in the 19th century before the term African-American came into vogue. Do so some research before making up false assumptions.

[BIGLOOK]

I've known some exchange students while at the U of Hawaii that were from Madagascar. They spoke French, English and a Malayo-Polynesian dialect. Geographically they were African but their genealogy was other.

Something to note; South Africa was virtually unpopulated at the time of the arrival of the Europeans. There were Hottentots and Bushmen who were migratory tribes across the vast expanse of the region. The Dutch and the English established Cape Town, Johannesburg and Durban a century before the arrival of the Black African migrations south.