[mnehring]

I don't think we can honestly say it is ‘proven’ forged yet. The certificate is different than the sample, but there could be many factors that make it different. Real proof would probably be the Hawiian records department declaring there is not or a different certificate for him or a different certificate appearing for Barry that has different information.

[pissant]

However, the KOS and the Obama versions are different. They are supposed to be scans of the same document.

[italianquaker]

? if this is true can he even be a senator?

[maica]

This is not the Birth Certificate that was filed in August 1961. If anyone looks at the date at the bottom left corner, this form was generated in 2001. It is a record that such a birth cert of such child was made on Aug 6, 1961.

[MeanWestTexan]

“I don’t think we can honestly say it is ‘proven’ forged yet. The certificate is different than the sample, but there could be many factors that make it different.”

Yep, I have a yellow birth cert and a white one than, in no way resemble each other, except the D.O.B., my name, and mom’s name. One has a bunch of details (weight, doctor, father, etc), the other just the essentials.

[twigs]

Real proof would probably be the Hawiian records department declaring there is not or a different certificate for him or a different certificate appearing for Barry that has different information.

I think that's true, but I have my doubts that they would do that. Wouldn't a BC be considered confidential? I heard years ago that Jimmy Carter's campaign had his BC sealed. I don't know if that's true either. But would someone have to go through the process of having it sealed to make it unavailable?

[Political Junkie Too]

I don't think we can honestly say it is ‘proven’ forged yet.

Would you at least agree that it is uncertified?

If not, would you at least agree that it is altered, and therefore invalid for any legal purpose?

-PJ