Wow, that's really inspiring. Here's some operative quotes:
- I have come across minimal information to suggest that Lyle would be considered a threat to commit acts of violence or witness intimidation.
- I have never received any information that would indicate that he is involved in anything of a violent nature.
- I do not have much first hand knowledge of David [S. Allred].;
- I do not have any specific information that would label David as a threat,
- To the best of my knowledge, he is not involved in any FLDS security and has no known history of violence or intimidation.
- William attended the Warren Jeffs criminal trial, but was banned from the premises after the third day of trial. It was determined that he was attempting to intimidate the witnesses, after he was observed numerous staring menacingly at witnesses.
- He is not likely at this time to be involved directly in any acts of violence or intimidation
- Lindsay seemed to be very aware of the law enforcement staff on location, specifically where they were stationed and role they played.
- He does not have an extensive history of documented violence, but is rumored to be capable.
- I don't have much information on Rulon Barlow, other than the fact that [he] attended to Warren Jeffs trial.
- Rulon seemed to be extremely focused on the routines of our court staff and repeatedly seemed to be staring down the prosecuting attorneys and their witnesses.
- There is little information to support this, other than his actions at the Warren Jeffs trial. During the trial, Dee appeared to be less interested in the trial than he was in staring at the prosecution's victim and witnesses.
- I was not aware of Samuel prior to the trial and have not been able to obtain information that would define his role in the community.
- He also was part of the group that disappeared for a period during the trial and seemed to be taking mental notes of the security staff present.
- Guy is a large individual, he stands approximately six feet tall and weighs approximately two hundred and seventy pounds, and seemed to make it a point to be noticed by the prosecution's victim and witnesses whenever possible. He was not blatant and never had to be addressed individually by the court staff, but seemed to be there for the purpose of intimidation.
- is no record of any contact with local law enforcement.
- Finally, you have to be aware of the wild card. There are many individuals who are willing to give their life for the cause and you can never under estimate what a religious fanatic is capable of.
There you have it. A list of people of "interest", and other than one who was convicted of sex abuse, none were directly cited as having done anything more than "staring" at witnesses, and some "disappeared" for periods of time during the trial. One is guilty of being 6 feet tall, another was taking "mental notes", probably with a magic pencil.
None have ever "given their life" for the cause, even though these are supposedly the "worst of the worst" -- but still they INSIST that there are MANY who would give their life, and therefore anybody who is dressed like a FLDS member should be considered highly dangerous: "During Warren Jeffs' incarceration, his brother Nephi Jeffs visited him on a daily basis. We noticed after a while that approximately fifteen minutes before Nephi arrived, a vehicle would drive slowly through the parking lot, making several brief stops, and then exit. The drivers were always dressed in clothing associated with that community and appeared to be conducting security sweeps."
The police consider all these people DANGEROUS, and willing to give their lives, and therefore expect to have to use lethal force against them -- but that couldn't be a reason why they would do security sweeps before showing up, it must be an evil plot.
If people are staring at the witnesses, throw them out of court. If they do it twice, throw them in jail overnight for contempt. The idea that any real intimidation was allowed in the court for more than 5 minutes, if true, suggests a lack of control by the judge.
First. The article you gleaned those sentences from, is available for everyone to read, and you have only selected the sentences that were not NEGATIVE.
And, it’s at least the second time you did that.
I think the media had a term for that, ‘cherry picking’, or something, in reference to another issue.
I can see why you would do that, but most people already know what the article said.
“The idea that any real intimidation was allowed in the court for more than 5 minutes, if true, suggests a lack of control by the judge.”
This wasn’t in court, it was Willie insisting he had a right to be at a private meeting between a GRAND JURY WITNESS, her attorney ad litem, her guardian ad litem, and her mother.
He Told Malonis he wanted her out, and a FLDS advocate lawyer so was also an advocate of the FLDS lifestyle.
So, you are arguing the wrong point.
If it was me, I’d let him have his way. If he insists that the girl should be represented by a lawyer who represents the best interests of the FLDS, as a whole, then the court was clearly correct in taking all the children, and treating them as a ‘whole’.
If the court gets one witness, one conviction, then the whole place would be guilty.
So let Willie have what he wants.
But the Judge, far wiser than I, said NO.