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Protests as Jackie Chan arrives in Taiwan (Chicom cheerleader dissed)
AFP ^ | 06/18/08

Posted on 06/21/2008 7:43:20 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: eastforker

One of these days I’m going to sneak into your house and steal your catfish recipe. :-)


41 posted on 06/21/2008 10:56:24 AM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: Tainan

The U.S. and nearly all other significant nations recognize “one China.” The State department is against Taiwanese independence. Taiwan has never made a formal declaration of independence. Most Taiwanese are opposed to the idea of formal independence because they do not want mainland Chinese retribution.


42 posted on 06/21/2008 11:01:55 AM PDT by buck jarret
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To: buck jarret

“China and Taiwan agree that Taiwan is not a “country”, although it behaves like one in most respects.”

It’s been about 25 years ago a very knowledgeable individual told me that Taiwan has never been a part of China. That is why Chaing Kai Shek went there. He knew it was not part of China. Otherwise, Mao Tse Tung would have gone there and had him killed.

Sounds reasonable to me.


43 posted on 06/21/2008 11:02:08 AM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I don’t know how unspoken I would be if were born into a totalitarian society. It is so easy to demand that someone else on the other side of the world be a big hero and stand up to their evil government. Jackie Chan has a lot to lose.


44 posted on 06/21/2008 11:04:38 AM PDT by buck jarret
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To: El Gran Salseron

The Qing dynasty conquered Formosa in the late 17th century. It was ruled from mainland China from then until 1949 except for the period of Japanese rule. By “country” I meant independent country.

Mao presumably did not attempt to oust the Nationalists from Taiwan because it was heavily fortified and under American protection.

Until the 1980s, Taiwan was in many ways as restrictive a dictatorship as mainland China, although without a Cultural Revolution.


45 posted on 06/21/2008 11:10:00 AM PDT by buck jarret
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“The Qing dynasty conquered Formosa in the late 17th century. It was ruled from mainland China from then until 1949 except for the period of Japanese rule. By “country” I meant independent country.”

Did they make it a “state”, “commonwealth” or simply rule? It seems to me that there would be a difference.

If they did not make it officially a part of China then my friend’s claim is possibly true.

Also, Taiwan has been operating independently since, as you point out, 1949. IIRC, the USA recognized it as an “independent state or country” until Nixon recognized China and the UN followed suit.


46 posted on 06/21/2008 1:03:41 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: buck jarret

Meant “outspoken” of course.


47 posted on 06/21/2008 1:34:56 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: El Gran Salseron

Taiwan was part of Fujian province, then in the 19th century made its own province.

Before being conquered by China, it was a base for pirates and rebels from the previous Ming dynasty against the Qing - rather a foreshadowing of what would happen in the 20th century.


48 posted on 06/21/2008 1:37:57 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: Tainan

No, both he and Sammo Hung started out together in Chinese Opera.


49 posted on 06/21/2008 4:16:36 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Tainan

I’m a Jackie Chan Fan

We look for his Hong Kong Kung Fu Flicks at the dollar video section od Wally World.

The original Drunken Master is so much better than the hollywood re-remake.


50 posted on 06/21/2008 7:35:53 PM PDT by ASOC
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To: buck jarret
Taiwan has never been a part of mainland China. Various warlords have used the island as a refuge during exile; but it has never, but they returned to the mainland after licking their wounds and regaining favor.
Yes, they left a sizable influence here, Confucianism for one, but they did not seek a permanent residence here as in a 'conquered' country nor bring Taiwan under rule of the mainland. It was traditionally viewed as an exploitable resource, not a vassal state.

Did the mainland fight the Japanese conquest? Of course not. They had no claim on the island.
51 posted on 06/21/2008 7:37:09 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Proof, please. Unlike too many others here who blindly swallow a single, unsubstantiated post..I prefer factual proof. Thank you.


52 posted on 06/21/2008 7:39:40 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: ASOC; Virginia Ridgerunner
As Virginia Ridge runner mentioned, Sammo Hung is another great from 'chop socky' movie days.
Just this morning I watched one of Sammos' classics. All in Chinese so I didn't catch the name.
Both were under studio control and made literally hundreds of movies. They worked hard at their craft.

I have 4 channels of Chinese TV movies here and one or both of them is on just about at any given time. Some is really lame, some is good stuff and all is somewhat entertaining. My wife, Chinese/Taiwanese, hates it so I watch it in my office when shes not around....heh heh heh.
53 posted on 06/21/2008 7:42:43 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: eastforker

Thank you. Finally......some reason on this thread.


54 posted on 06/21/2008 7:42:46 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Tainan

Taiwan was ruled by China as a Chinese province for several hundred of years (from the mainland, obviously), thus making it part of China. In addition, there is presently little notable cultural or linguistic distinction between the Taiwanese and mainland Chinese, other than the political difference.

You are right that it wasn’t a vassal state. It was a province like any other Chinese province and for a long time not even its own province.

China was forced to give up Taiwan and other territories to Japan when it lost the First Sino-Japanese war, which was fought elsewhere.


55 posted on 06/21/2008 8:44:44 PM PDT by buck jarret
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The only time Taiwan was "ruled by China as a Chinese province" was when a mainlander was 'exiled' to the island while regrouping his forces to return to the mainland. They traditionally did a runner from the mainland when they got into various troubles or fell out of favor with the main rulers during the many regime changes that have occurred in Chinese history.
Taiwan was a a port for their political storm.

As to this:
"In addition, there is presently little notable cultural or linguistic distinction between the Taiwanese and mainland Chinese, other than the political difference."
This will come as quite a surprise to the 12 or 13 indigenous tribes scattered throughout the island. Each with their uniques social, linguistic and cultural traditions.
And then their is that unique Dao/Tao-ism that is practiced. Quite different from "Pure-Land' or traditional Chinese Buddhism.
That one has quite a number of people guessing what the current holiday is and how many firecrackers are appropriate.

But, no matter what the propaganda line is from the mainland, Taiwan has never been a part of China. Its Taiwan, not that Beijing abomination 'Chinese Taipei.'
56 posted on 06/21/2008 8:56:27 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Tainan

There are indigenous people and religious identities in Taiwan as there are in various places throughout China, which has probably hundreds of minorities. But in both China and Taiwan, the great majority are Han Chinese.

Taiwan has cultural differences from other parts of China, but no more than the usual difference between any two Chinese provinces.

Taiwan was part of China for a little over 300 years up to 1895.


57 posted on 06/21/2008 9:10:59 PM PDT by buck jarret
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