Posted on 06/17/2008 6:00:53 PM PDT by freespirited
BTW, Abe Lincoln's mother and his sister died and were buried on one of my direct male ancestor's farms. So stuff it buddy. I'm an hereditary Republican and you're nothing.
So you debunked the author’s analysis? I don’t think so.
You have a certificate of birth issued to your parents at the hospital. Else, if you have your “original” official document regarding your birth you could get into serious trouble with ICE. The original must necessarily be filed with the government where it is kept safe.
So, any orthodox Moslem (Sunni) is going to inform you straight away that Obama was "born a Moslem", but he will also tell you that you, "originalbuckeye", were also "born a Moslem".
Capice?
The man's birth father (baby daddy in Rio Linda) abandoned the mother very early on. She then married a Moslem guy from Indonesia who, by reputation, was an Atheist. However, in Indonesia, as in every Moslem dominated country, you must report a religious affiliation. Failure to do so could result in severe penalties. His step father, as head of household, simply reported that he was Moslem, even when he was attending a Catholic school.
I think that's pretty easy to understand myself. Remember, not everyplace on Earth is run like the United States. Some of the countries are quite primitive and demand you account for your religious beliefs publicly in every venue. Also, don't wear an expensive wristwatch or other jewelry when you visit Indonesia. You may lose your hand or your head! See the difference. In the US they are after your tennis shoes.
I'd say he got off to a bad start.
Frankly, I'd like to see the author come up with a simple black and white photocopy of his actual "birth certificate" which contains those "facts on file", not some stupid "transcript" created in 2007 (as clearly indicated in the date stamp on the face of the document).
The Obama document is not less original than the item proposed by the author to be authentic.
So, what is there to debunk? The guy's looking into his top hat and reading us a Gospel or something. Some might believe. Most don't!
Then you did not understand his analysis.
If Hawaii says the facts claimed are true, that's as good as it gets.
It's useless, and so is this thread. Without another birth certification, issued by the State of Hawaii in the same year (2007) for comparison, all the analysis of print and borders is silly. There's no reason to believe this isn't authentic. Most states (all that I know of) offer this short-form of certification, and it's a perfectly legal proof of birth.
I've done a lot of genealogy research, acquiring documents from many states and time periods, and you are correct, there was no uniformity in racial categories, or even in the information supplied, across time periods. But if people want to engage in conspiracy theories and comparison of apples to oranges, while there's so much more that's questionable about this candidate -- such as his refusal to release his college transcripts from any of three institutions he attended -- well, it's useless arguing with them.
It is a detailed analysis of why this is not a print out from a template gov’t document with BO’s info, but a forged attempt to make it look like one. You can disagree with his analysis, but analysis is exactly what it is.
A couple of issues have been addressed. There are still several which haven't. I am not satisfied that jpeg compression would eliminate the background. This document should have an embossed seal stamped on it, with a stamped signature, perhaps that is on the back. But the stamped seal should have been noticeable even in the scan. Really, a scanned image is too easy to manipulate. I could show a scanned image of me on mars. Unless some unbiased source examined the actual document, this does not prove a thing. All this image does is raise questions which could easily been answered if the document was made available.
You are right. The race could have been anything but in my years of public records searches I have never seen African. But you are right. It was not standardized then.
I hope you caught that. He said " Here's a genuine copy of a real certificate of birth -- my own:" but the document itself says that it's actually A TRANSCRIPT of information kept somewhere.
After ROTFLMAO for several hours I hopped back into this thread to see what other wonders we might see tossed at us.
There were plenty of them, but none so strange as the ones claiming Hawaii had been a foreign country in 1961.
Obviously we have been undermined by trolls if that sort of thing can be claimed with a straight face by anyone.
This is not a Dan Rather moment. There we didn't have the originals ~ in fact, the guy who created them said he'd destroyed them after he made copies.
What we did have was incontrovertible time dilation effect info ~ namely, "kerning had been left on" when the guy prepared the "original" forgeries! (bwahahahahahaha!!!!).
Here we can go to the original fabricator, the State of Hawaii, and see what their doggone transcript certification looks like. Anyone can do that. Folks rarely forge such easily verified materials except as a joke.
You are grasping at straws.
So far none of you guys have come up with anything meaningful. Besides, State Department issued him a passport. If this is the document Obama showed them, and their highly skilled document examiners accepted it, then it's OK.
I bet none of them thought Hawaii was a foreign country like "New Mexico" really is eh?!
Look, maybe you should look at deed covenants in a title for a property in, perhaps, Shaker Heights circa 1961. They’ll be using “African Race” and “Hebrew Race”.
And it is a fraudulent certification at that, according to this author’s analysis
Why do you assume Obama used this to get a passport? I just applied for a passport and unless your birth certificate has a signature and a embossed seal (go to the state department website yourself if you doubt), it will get sent back. This document could not have been used for a passport. There may be nothing here, but this image proves nothing.
“Stuff it buddy” that is kind of personal don’t you think?
Now that I know you are the type that will resort to personal attacks when you cannot debate I’ll round file whatever comments you make from here on out as droolings.
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