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McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History
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| June 13, 2008
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Posted on 06/13/2008 12:09:36 PM PDT by DCRoush
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To: Crazieman
“After all, he has a very long history of supporting a ruling of this type.”
False. McCain voted for the legislation (S.3930) that defined these terrorists as unlawful combatants and establishes [military commissions for the trial of alien unlawful enemy combatants.]
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=lb-109-2-145
To: firebrand
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posted on
06/13/2008 4:02:22 PM PDT
by
processing please hold
( A gov. big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have)
To: AuntB
The legislation that McCain voted for ‘prohibits an alien enemy unlawful combatant from invoking the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights during his trial by a military commission.’
It was Obama that opposed this legislation.
To: DoughtyOne
” he (Obama) may actually wind up not being able to pass as much leftist policy as McCain will overall.”
Since only two candidates have a chance of winning, do you want Obama to win, or do you want McCain to win? Also, since Obama has voted against funding for the troops mulitple times, what would prevent Obama from vetoing any additional funding for troops serving in Iraq, wich would force our defeat and hand Iraq to al-qaeda and Iran?
To: death2tyrants
The legislation that McCain voted for prohibits an alien enemy unlawful combatant from invoking the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights during his trial by a military commission.I thought Mcpain wanted to follow the GC concerning the terrorist?
BRB
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posted on
06/13/2008 4:16:50 PM PDT
by
processing please hold
( A gov. big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have)
To: ncalburt
But apparently the poster does not mind that the Obama internet police are monitoring us now. Your point is...?
146
posted on
06/13/2008 4:19:08 PM PDT
by
don-o
(My son, Ben, reports to Parris Island on June 30)
To: processing please hold
“Correct me if Im wrong but doesnt Habeas Corpus mean, produce the body?”
Literally. But legally it means. “Hey I’m this dudes lawyer and I want to make sure he is getting his Constitutional Rights.’
To: death2tyrants
o | Volume 14: Page 4297
o.|.........................................................................................................................................................
o | Staff Copy: John McCain's Comprehensive List of Things That Will not Really Be Happening
o |
o | Its not really an amnesty.
o | Its not really a tax hike.
o | Its not really socialized medicine.
o | Its not really a fairness doctrine.
o | Its not really a loss of sovereinty.
o | It's not really a loss of self-determination.
o | It's not really a globalist governance.
o | It's not really a violation of the first amendment.
o | It's not really a violation of the second amendment.
o | Its not really a massive super highway.
o | Its not really a loss of U.S. jobs to foreign workers.
o | Its not really arming China with our purchasing dollars.
o | Its not really siding with Democrats all the time.
o | It's not really a liberal appointment to the court.
o | It's not really siding with Ted Kennedy for the 23rd time this month.
o | It's not really a bad $0.50 cent surchage on a gallon of gas.
o | It's not really a road tax. It's a toll.
o | It's not really acknowledging global warming.
o | It's not really extensive measures to fix something that isn't broken.
o | It's not really going to hurt our industry.
o | It's not really going to hurt our economy.
o | It's not really going to impact your life.
o | It's not really going to impact the lives of your children and grandchildren.
o | It's not really playing into the hands of those who hate this nation.
o | Its not really an abuse of office, going after those who disagree.
o | It's not really a bad thing, millons more Mexican immigrants getting work permits to cross the border.
o | It's not really a loss of taxpayer dollars to pay for the health care of indigent immigrants.
o | It's not really a drain on our resources to pay for the education of foreign nationals.
o | It's not really a problem when foreign nationals get benefits meant for U.S. Citizens.
o | It's not really a danger to expose our Citizens to the crimes committed by foreign nationals
o | It's not really leaving the border wide open.
o | It's not really forgiving the fines levied against those doing jobs U.S. Citizens won't do.
o | It's not really an amnesty even though the fines that were not forgiven will no longer have to be paid.
o | It's not really a danger to let 70,000 Saudi Nationals to enter the U.S. on Education Visas.
o | It's not really a nation at risk.
o | It's not really Arab states and China buying our banks and other assetts.
o | It's not really a bad thing to have foreign nations lose confidence in the dollar.
o | It's not really a bad thing to have foreign nations switch from the dollar to the euro.
o | It's not really China supplying our national defense supplies.
o | It's not really leftist policy to do these things.
o | It's not really a plan to take this nation down to the point where it can no longer stand independently.
o | It's not really contempt for all U.S. Citizens, even the little people who were stupid enough to elect me.o |o | Volume 14: Page 4298
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Insert more paper and press Start.
Dave! Could you bring seven more boxes of paper in from the back?
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posted on
06/13/2008 4:26:38 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Ooo what's that terrible smell? Oh, I stepped in a big pile of 'lesser of two evils'. Careful...)
To: death2tyrants
I will never use my vote to support a leftist like John McCain. You can read that any way you like.
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posted on
06/13/2008 4:29:17 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Ooo what's that terrible smell? Oh, I stepped in a big pile of 'lesser of two evils'. Careful...)
To: okie01
“Are we to stop prosecuting the WOT? Or are we to bring the prisoners to then continental US — where they might have been subject to the same kind of horseshit SCOTUS decision as came down?”
They’ve conducted military tribunals and subsequent executions of unlawful combatants within the U.S. before. McCain voted for legislation that ensured that these terrorists would be classified as unlawful combatants and subjected to military tribunals.
To: avacado
As to what to do with future ones? I am not 100% on where he stands on that but I think he wants them in the prison of Fort Leavenworth. Do not quote me on that though. Appreciate your taking my response in the good natured vein that was meant.
I suspect you are right about Fort Leavenworth. But the very reason (as openly stated, I recall) for Guantanamo was to keep the terrorists offshore -- out of the reach of the federal court system!
This was, I suspect, one of the (unstated) reasons for the majority's decision. Guantanamo is the object of an undeclared war between the Executive and the Judiciary.
McCain seems blissfully unaware of this conflict. And/or totally clueless about what to do with future prisoners.
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posted on
06/13/2008 4:32:35 PM PDT
by
okie01
(THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
To: processing please hold; firebrand
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h001.htm
Here you go. Once any person goes into CONUS he can demand a writ. This is what McCain’s assinine closing of GITMO would result in. The SOCTUS stole his thunder.
It is truly amazing. That ,one, McCain is so ignorant and, two, these bastards get the same protections you and I do if we hold up a bank. But under the UCMJ our troops do not get these.
McCain is an idiot.
To: Sunnyflorida
Let’s all tear McCain down until we end up with Obama. We’re already hearing about death threats for those who do not like him.
To: death2tyrants
“McCain voted for legislation that ensured that these terrorists would be classified as unlawful combatants and subjected to military tribunals.”
McCain can vote for what he want, but he is too stupid to figure out the ramifications. There is case law that says any CONUS detainee gets the rights to a writ.
To: DoughtyOne
This doesn’t answer my questions regarding your comment. Since only two candidates have a chance of winning, do you want Obama to win, or do you want McCain to win? Also, since Obama has voted against funding for the troops mulitple times, what would prevent Obama from vetoing any additional funding for troops serving in Iraq, wich would force our defeat and hand Iraq to al-qaeda and Iran?
(Note: These are simplistic questions. Your failure to answer them is very telling)
To: okie01
“McCain seems blissfully unaware of this conflict. And/or totally clueless about what to do with future prisoners. “
Exactly. You can’t trust McCain. He just has no idea what he is talking about. He does this all the time.
To: DoughtyOne
"I will never use my vote to support a leftist like John McCain."Nor will I.
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posted on
06/13/2008 4:38:53 PM PDT
by
Czar
( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
To: death2tyrants
The only thing simplistic about it, is that you are to f’n dumb to understand that I am not going to vote for John McCain. I have never supported leftists and I’m not going to start now. Now if you’re not as stupid as you have proven to be to this point, you figure it out for yourself.
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posted on
06/13/2008 4:39:06 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Ooo what's that terrible smell? Oh, I stepped in a big pile of 'lesser of two evils'. Careful...)
To: processing please hold
“I thought Mcpain wanted to follow the GC concerning the terrorist?”
We are folling the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention protects lawful combatants. The legislation that McCain voted for classifies these terrorists as ‘unlawful combatants’. Therefore they are prohibited from having the same rights as lawful combatants. (Until this SCOTUS ruling, which McCain has denounced and Obama has praised)
To: firebrand
“Lets all tear McCain down until we end up with Obama. “
How about let’s not be stupid. Why does McCain get a pass? Anyone running for President should get a solid vetting. I’m in favor of equal treatment. I loath Obama and his fans but McCain is barely better. Do we just all dumb down?
Not me.
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