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I'm curious...if you can tell me. Why is "Mookie" still sucking perfectly good air? Why is the SOB still living, and breathing? Why is he permitted to live?

Ditto for that Cuban SOB 90 miles southeast of FL on that tiny dot of an island. How about that sawed off little leftist down in Venezuela?

Why?

Winning a war involves issuing forth enough violence to make the enemy want to cease from violence. You know this. You must.

Don't insinuate that McCain is the man who's going to make the War in Iraq "all better", or even a little bit better. His record shows that he's not likely to do anything that conservatives would hope for.

Nobody from America will be permitted to "win" that war. The people won't allow it. The American public won't allow it! But not for reasons that you might think. They won't allow it because too many of them are too fat, and too lazy, and too used to living on credit, and pulling cash from the ATM, and having "stuff" and lots of it and having it NOW. They're shortsighted, lazy and cowardly. They lack the intestinal fortitude, commitment, and insight that would even permit them to consciously approve of a 15 or 20 year plan for a country in the current condition of Iraq.

But five years is about the limit of their forgetful, fat, easy to appease, dull brains. They can comprehend five years. But five years isn't enough. You know this. Strategists and planners who know how to rebuild countries in a condition such as Iraq know these things. But they get no attention from the MSM, or (strangely enough) the U.S. State Department. But somehow, the amazingly unbelievable notion that Iraq will be "normal" in five years has gotten through to the American citizen at large, and anybody who doesn't support "The War in Iraq" is somehow less than a good citizen in all political circles here in America.

So before asking if anybody wants to "win" the war in Iraq, be honest with yourself and consider whether it's even feasible with the shift we've seen in this nation over the last 50 years. Is it possible that we definitively win ANY war ANYWHERE these days? I say as long as politicians run the battlefield instead of Generals, that it is NOT possible!

We should have "CONQUERED" Iraq....let the USMC permanently fly our flag over its soil, seized its oil wells for our own use, and then blatantly and generously shared our military presence there with the IDF and IAF, and let the rest of those hostile nations bordering KNOW that their day was coming!

But we did not. Instead, we have reduced ourselves to the current low state of debating on-line about some RINO presidential wannabe and the merits of how he's going to help win The War in Iraq.

How sad.

McCain for all of his flaws, has remained steady on the War in Iraq, to the point of screaming for a Surge, he was consistent on that for 2 years all the while Rumsfled and others were dead wrong on the need for more men in Iraq.

The “Surge” was named the McCain Surge for a reason, no other Republican wanted it to happen but him, time has proven him right on his insistence that it take place, he has staked his Candidacy on it.

The Obamao on the other hand has made it clear, if he wins, we lose in Iraq, and that is the bottom line of all of this typing.

And “yes” I do agree, the way to win is to convince the other poor dumb bastard that he has lost, and there is no other point in continuing the fight.

We never achieved that in Iraq, for better or worse, the Rumsfled plan, and the Bremer Admin never allowed such overwhelming force to be applied, quite simply, it never was planned into the “metric”.

Pardon me for jumping in here. In my opinion the troops have already accomplished thier mission with bravery. We did what we set out to do. Saddam is gone, no WMD’s, a Iraqi government is in place.

I thought that was a win. I remember Bush saying that we would not occupy Iraq. We cannot make the Iraquis think and operate just like us. What is winning? Will we ever “win”? When does winning become occupation? The Iraquis have been given a way to freedom. It is up to them to keep it.

Hmmm? Sounds like we need to spend some time keeping it here at home.

Frankly, I quite agreed with your post.