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To: hiredhand
According to the classic military definition of WIN, we're all fooling ourselves if we don't admit that currently, nobody's winning anything except for the politicians who continue to lie, seize power, and serve themselves. Ah! But for some reason, people like myself become the butt of criticism for pointing out these things and refusing to vote for the terrible lot of them!

Thank you for your passionate post. I can see you are as upset as I am about the events happening.

The GOP has been using "the war" as a constant hammer for too long now. The war is the excuse to shame people into voting for a candidate who has no principles and we would never vote for otherwise.

Just as I would never consider voting for Obama, I also would never consider voting for McCain.

I am tired of being told I do not care about the troops if I do not vote for McCain. I care about the troops, my youngest son is a troops.

As I have pointed out before here, the troops are not in love with war, they are serving their country. These troops also live here, have families they wish to be with. They would also like to return to a sovereign nation and enjoy the liberty they are supposed to be fighting for.

The US has acheived its mission in Iraq. The greater war with the enemy extends well beyond Iraqi borders. It is an ideological war that needs a hero right here in the US. We can go to war all over the ME, but we can't seem to stop the rise of Islam on home turf. We don't close our borders, we pay for madrassas and footbaths etc. and generally appease Muslims.

The McCain apologists never like to talk about the problem beyond Iraq. Their pitch is always a very lofty "I care about America more than some silly principles from selfish people". I don't know about you, but I don't consider putting my stamp of approval on a pro cap and trade, amnesty and open borders, pro embryonic stem cell research, anti freedom of speech, anti oil drilling man.

I am aware of the alternative to McCain. The only people that deserve the alternative to McCain are the people right here that continue to sacrifice any principle they may have out of fear. They seek to tear down and demean those who do not wish to to put a stamp of approval on a candidate that has no principle, other than Iraq. What is McCain sacrificing to win our vote? I would say nothing.

137 posted on 06/12/2008 4:21:51 AM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: indylindy
It seems to me that no matter what, we're in a tough spot as a nation, and it's going to get "tougher". It "ought" to bring people down on their knees to the Lord. But this doesn't seem to be the case....yet.

Peculiar times are upon us, and the courage and actions of a very few could make a huge difference for a great many. Thanks for saying what you did about the "War", and the GOP. Only a troop's Mom could get away with that. Even a Vet (which I am) could NOT. It needed to be said though and everybody blindly following the GOP needs to hear it.

It's been good swapping messages with you. I have not been treated kindly here for saying the same things I've said to you, and I have not reacted kindly either. It's nice to exchange with a seemingly rational, and sane person. I appreciate that. THANKS. :-)
140 posted on 06/12/2008 5:57:35 AM PDT by hiredhand
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