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Gates names non-fighter pilot to head Air Force
LA Times ^ | June 9, 2008 | Peter Spiegel

Posted on 06/09/2008 10:24:06 AM PDT by jazusamo

WASHINGTON -- In a sign of how urgently he wants to shake up the Air Force, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates announced today he was appointing the first non-fighter pilot to become the service's chief of staff in more than 25 years.

The nomination of Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, who is currently head of the Pentagon's transportation command and rose through the ranks as a pilot of military cargo planes, marks a significant break for the Air Force, which has been led by fighter and bomber pilots almost since its inception after World War II.

In his announcement naming Schwartz, Gates not only emphasized the general's role in transportation aircraft, but also noted his long list of assignments in so-called joint commands -- positions where senior officials work in units made up of officers from all four military services.

Gates also named Michael Donley, a veteran Pentagon bureaucrat who currently is the administrative and management chief of the department, to be Air Force secretary, the department's top civilian.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: airforce; egodrivers; fightermafia; gates
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To: jazusamo

Lots of intra-service experience and a bunch of time in DCS Plans & Operations. Decorated by the Army. Sounds more than qualified.

The broad strokes aimed at fighter pilots is undeserved, folks. However, if you’d like to go after Tony McPeak and composite wing reshuffling, be my guest.


41 posted on 06/09/2008 12:29:54 PM PDT by jblair (Air Force Brat)
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To: jblair
However, if you’d like to go after Tony McPeak and composite wing reshuffling, be my guest.

Well, I think you'll enjoy post 23, then. :-)

42 posted on 06/09/2008 12:32:27 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: colorado tanker
I hope they keep the A-10’s Love those Hogs!

See the June issue of Air Force magazine.

43 posted on 06/09/2008 12:36:14 PM PDT by saminfl (,/i)
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To: saminfl

Can you summarize, for those of us who don’t get AF Mag?


44 posted on 06/09/2008 12:37:57 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: jazusamo; jblair
BTW, did anyone notice the stuff in his background that will really make the fighter mafia guys lose their stuff? He's a rotorhead! A freakin' rotorhead! McPeak will puke and have a stroke!
45 posted on 06/09/2008 12:40:08 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: AlaskaErik

***He’s a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. That’s not a good sign.***

You got that right.


46 posted on 06/09/2008 12:40:43 PM PDT by wastedyears (Like a bat outta Hell.)
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To: jazusamo
Interesting, he was part of the 1975 airlift evacuation of Saigon as a 1st Lt.

Interesting. So was my dad. I will have to ask if he knew him.
47 posted on 06/09/2008 12:41:42 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Portcall24
The unofficial motto of SAC used to be: ...

I thought it was "War Is Just A Hobby".

48 posted on 06/09/2008 12:44:28 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Truth be told, McPeak as a SecDef scares me even more than the Reverend Wrong and the Big O himself.
49 posted on 06/09/2008 12:48:17 PM PDT by Red Dog #1 (Up is down and down is up...)
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To: Mr. Silverback
The article is titled "Not Fade Away." It is about the new A-10C modification and the Maryland ANG.It has a great description of how the A-10 "Charlie" is allowing the Warthog to deliver more smart weapons. It praises the airplane (and the Maryland ANG who I also praise).The last two paragraphs in the article say,

Warthog pilots are convinced the capabilities of the A-10 will be called upon for years to come, as its designated replacement is slated to come at the end of the F-35 production run. "Look at the Air Force in 2020," Marino said. "What's your best counterinsurgency airplane?"

Thanks to the upgrades, the answer will almost certainly be: the A-10C.

50 posted on 06/09/2008 12:48:46 PM PDT by saminfl (,/i)
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To: jblair

I’ll agree with you that the broad brush on fighter pilots is not deserved. I think it’s more of a thing on the mentality of those similar to McPeak.


51 posted on 06/09/2008 12:50:43 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: saminfl; Mr. Silverback

You might find a copy at your local library. It is a great article. They mis-identified the Maverick missile in the photo at the top of page 42, but that is the only error I found.


52 posted on 06/09/2008 12:51:35 PM PDT by saminfl (,/i)
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To: Mr. Silverback

And he’s even a HERK guy!!!

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7077


53 posted on 06/09/2008 12:52:21 PM PDT by Red Dog #1 (Up is down and down is up...)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Yes, I noticed that when I read his Bio, had to take a second look after seeing them tacked on the end of the different C-130’s he flew. Not wishing McPeak any ill will but you could be right about the stroke. :)


54 posted on 06/09/2008 12:53:53 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: saminfl

Thanks for posting, sounds encouraging.


55 posted on 06/09/2008 12:57:09 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: ken in texas
He’s an old USAFA class mate of mine...

Him, and Rowe Stayton.

56 posted on 06/09/2008 1:13:06 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: colorado tanker

Does anyone remember the name Sam Kishline and the A-10 ?


57 posted on 06/09/2008 1:29:27 PM PDT by SABOR SAM
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To: jazusamo
Nope, no ill will on my part either. I do not hope he strokes out, but I predict he'll stroke out. :-)
58 posted on 06/09/2008 1:54:12 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I was in Project CHECKMATE in the Pentagon for 8 years the same time Boyd was the joke of the AF. I’ve read Boyd’s biography and while the part about his responsibility for Energy Maneuverability (EA) and the OODA loop are very acturate, his biographer drifted off somewhat when it came to weapon system procurement. Boyd aligned himself with the Reformists like Chuck Spinney who said we needed tons of simply fighters like F-5’s, etc and that the systems we were buying were too expensive and complex to maintain. I believe they were wrong as proven in most of the recent employment of air power. I had much more respect for the late Moody Sutter than Boyd. Among his idea was the creation of Red Flag.


59 posted on 06/09/2008 1:54:12 PM PDT by Portcall24
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To: wastedyears

See the later posts in the thread about CFR and military officers. Membership seems to indicate very little about their personal opinions.


60 posted on 06/09/2008 1:57:09 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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