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VERDICT IN THE LT GRAYSON TRIAL: NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
Defend Our Marines ^ | June 4, 2008 | David Allender

Posted on 06/04/2008 6:58:22 PM PDT by RedRover

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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Imagine having to fight a ruthless enemy with a lawyer looking over your shoulder.

Such as the one we’re waging now? It’s not your imagination, it’s your worse nightmare!

God bless our troops!


221 posted on 06/06/2008 1:40:28 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: lilycicero; bigheadfred
Fred and I got the same ink work...


222 posted on 06/06/2008 6:09:27 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

My favorite. If ‘Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord’, the sooner I can send the bastards to him, the sooner He can exact that Vengeance.

For some reason this reminds me of the story of the 5%.


223 posted on 06/06/2008 6:25:25 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: brityank; Girlene; jazusamo; smoothsailing; 4woodenboats; xzins; All
There's a great new piece by our pal Phil Brennan at NewsMax:
Heroic Haditha Marine Acquitted

The long, painful ordeal of Marine 1st Lt. Andrew Grayson came to a sudden end Wednesday when a jury of seven fellow Marine officers found him not guilty of trumped-up charges that should never have been leveled against him in the first place.

As Newsmax reported on Sept. 11, 2007, Grayson earned the enmity of prosecutors when he turned down their offer that would spare him from prison if he would agree to testify against fellow 3rd battalion, 1st Marines.

"I was asked by the prosecution to fall on my sword for the greater good of the Marine Corps,'' Grayson, 26, recalled. "The prosecution wanted me to distort the truth to fit their end goal."

More at the link.

224 posted on 06/06/2008 7:12:57 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover
Another good piece by Phil, Red. Glad to see him holding the prosecutions feet to the fire.

There was never any doubt about what transpired that day, and it was obvious that there was no need for further investigation.

It was also obvious to the seven Marines on that jury panel. Why wasn't it obvious to the prosecution and the two generals?

225 posted on 06/06/2008 7:51:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

I would hope even the prosecutors are starting to get the message by now.

Catch you tomorrow, pal!


226 posted on 06/06/2008 7:56:55 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: bigheadfred
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227 posted on 06/06/2008 8:44:49 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: RedRover

I hope you watched them open a new needle before you did that.


228 posted on 06/06/2008 10:52:12 PM PDT by lilycicero (I hope that's an arm.)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover
Why wasn't it obvious to the prosecution and the two generals?

Brennan repeats what we all know is evidence that the prosecution knew it had no case: they offered a deal to someone they wanted to get. In other words, having no case and believing only in their bluster, the prosecution thought they could bluff a win out of Lt Grayson.

Up to that point they'd offered deals only to liars and back-stabbers, the oddest collection of immunized ne'er-do-wells in the history of the military, no doubt. Given their immunity track record, the only reason they would have offered a deal to one of the real Marines in this case was that they had no case against him and knew it.

Why did the generals cave?

There is no explanation other than pressure to explain why any general would go forward with the Grayson case, given the evidence so clearly on Grayson's side. (I must admit, though, that I do feared for Grayson believing that all of these prosecutions are based on the need for the generals' political masters to "get someone...anyone.")

229 posted on 06/07/2008 3:33:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
the oddest collection of immunized ne'er-do-wells in the history of the military,

"There's a great deal of talk about loyalty from the bottom to the top. Loyalty from the top down is even more necessary and is much less prevalent. One of the most frequently noted characteristics of great men who have remained great is loyalty to their subordinates." - General George S. Patton, Jr

With young kids facing life in prison and probably not getting competent legal advice one could expect some to take a deal/immunity. For the higher echelons to behave as they have shows just how chicken they are.

If these generals, Helland, Mattis, Lynch, Bednarek, don't have the Moral courage to do the right thing, then they need to be replaced by men who do.

230 posted on 06/07/2008 6:49:46 AM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: xzins; bigheadfred; RedRover
Well said and all along I've had two theories.

Why did the generals cave?

First, they caved because of pressure from above and were willing to sacrifice these warriors for the image of the Corps because they thought those warriors might be guilty of a crime.

Second, they figured it may calm everyone criticizing the Corps and the country for what happened that day by charging these warriors and then them being found not guilty or the charges being dropped in 32 hearings thereby putting it to rest for good.

I prefer to believe the second but by no means have I ruled out the first. Either one does not reflect well on the generals if they did in fact believe no crimes were committed because of what these warriors and their families have been put through.

231 posted on 06/07/2008 8:51:30 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

Since these people are professional military men who have attained the rank of General, I am going to hold them to the highest standards. They have ALL the information. And being General Officers, they are at once judge, jury, and executioner. They have the power to send people to their deaths. It can be just as easily said that ANY military panel is biased (by the media, and the public at large) like the code of silence in the police agencies. IMO, they do the right thing first, and when the Murtha’s start running their necks, call them out in the street and stomp a mudhole in their ass.

IMO, the behavior of these Generals does more damage to the INTEGRITY of all the Armed Forces.

And I agree completely that neither of your theories reflect well on the Generals. Their conduct is despicable.


232 posted on 06/07/2008 11:01:20 AM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: lilycicero

Throw some cold water on it and it just says, “VIM”.


233 posted on 06/07/2008 11:01:25 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover; lilycicero
VIM

Now that's what I call shrinkage.

234 posted on 06/07/2008 11:04:53 AM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: RedRover; lilycicero
Throw some cold water on it and it just says, “VIM”.

Braggart! :)

235 posted on 06/07/2008 11:09:42 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

Sounds like a Chia pet in reverse.


236 posted on 06/07/2008 11:30:15 AM PDT by lilycicero (And no I don't believe they make that kind of a Chia pet.....)
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To: jazusamo; bigheadfred

Of course, there may have been a magnifying lens involved...


237 posted on 06/07/2008 11:31:19 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: lilycicero

I didn’t know you were a Chia pet fancier! Must be nice to have a little green bushy thing.


238 posted on 06/07/2008 11:41:47 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

Was that a ‘private reply’?


239 posted on 06/07/2008 11:47:22 AM PDT by lilycicero (One can only hope the families don't read the threads after 2 days!!!!)
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To: lilycicero

Anybody seen my collection of pet rocks?

For some reason that reminds me of the story of the 5%.


240 posted on 06/07/2008 12:00:38 PM PDT by bigheadfred (that's a FLYING Murtha santa pig)
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