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To: going hot
How many of the dems have called for outright surrender and general pullout?

Plenty. But once Obama is President, it becomes a different matter. Trust me, he's not going to withdraw the troops from Iraq immediately. For starters, it's logistically impossible. 2nd of all, he'll be briefed by outgoing Bush advisers not to do so. 3rd of all, he'll get the blame if anything happens.

Do you think those in their right minds (no pun)will have obama's ear, or is there a possibility that the likes of Turbin durbin, stark, ried and their ilk will have influence?

Who knows? Obama will be an incompetent Commander-in-Chief, but he's not stupid enough to pull the rug completely out from under our troops. Fricking Kucinich could be president and he'll still be obligated to finish the job in Iraq unless he wants to see pitchforks and torches on Pennsylvania Avenue. Even Clinton took a harsh stand on Saddam when he won in 1992, you think Democrats want to go back to the Carter years?

I guess the question is, just how far are you willing to let this country sink in the hopes of the sheeple then waking up and revolting?

Let me ask you a question. How far are you willing to tolerate drip-drip socialism? Amnesty under McCain? Global Warming? I don't know about you, but I'm tired of holding my nose for a RINO, and I'm sure other conservatives are too per the storm on NRCC's blog. A vote for McCain is a vote for the same-old socialism that's going to bury America (albeit slower under McCain than Obama). I'd rather fight back under Obama than to acquiescence under McCain and a feckless GOP.

186 posted on 05/22/2008 9:43:42 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Bipartisanship: Two wolves and the American people deciding what's for dinner)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Bravo. I disagree with you but I expected no less. ;-)

I think you may be discounting the pressure Obama will be under as a new President to throw a serious bone to the antiwar fringes. It doesn't even have to be a lot to cause serious damage to the war effort and danger to the people charged with pursuing it. He doesn't even have to do anything, all he has to do is say that he's considering it to give new life to a beaten opposition. And I think it would be tragic, having come so far in Iraq, to have Obama and the triumphant media behind him to ruin all of that in a selfish desire to proclaim to the world that they were right all along, when they weren't.

But it's a difficult choice. I guess that's the point of the thread.

205 posted on 05/22/2008 9:52:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Thank you for the reply.

How many are actually prepared, not just on a political forum on the net, but physically, to grab that pitchfork?

What prevents a truly power hungry socialist from pulling out? Public pressure?? If he gets the nod, then by default he (thinks) can certainly pull out with the snap of the fingers, logistics be damned.

So, what exactly prevents someone of Obama's ilk from pulling out, decreeing that all illegals are welcome, that all monies are to be confiscated and doled out by his cronies, and generally putting into motion every single liberal thought over the last 30 years/

What, you with your pitchfork?? Your friends??

I don't think this country is ready for a civil war, nor has a stomach for it. I do see jack booted thugs on the prowl making sure fires are put out quick. Problem is, they will be thier JBT's, not yours.

218 posted on 05/22/2008 10:08:05 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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