[Reaganwuzthebest]

Option 2: Recognise we are in an untenable position and try to negotiate something. Outcome 2: Historically unknowable since we took option 1, which turned out to be the worst of all possible worlds.

But in hindsight we along with Pat can know what Option 2 would have meant for Poland given Hitler's barbarism in other parts of Europe long after Poland had fallen. Look at what he did to Holland after they surrendered.

Having said that Option 1 was the only tenable choice they could make after watching how Hitler had behaved with Czechoslovakia. Pat only compounds his silliness when he then exclaims that had Poland given in there might not have been a war at all.

It's ludicrous on its face and while I do like Pat if he keeps up this kind of reasoning his credibility, what's left of it is going to go down faster than the Luftwaffe did in the Battle of Britain.

[AndyJackson]

Pat only compounds his silliness when he then exclaims that had Poland given in there might not have been a war at all. It's ludicrous on its face and while I do like Pat if he keeps up this kind of reasoning his credibility, what's left of it is going to go down faster than the Luftwaffe did in the Battle of Britain.

First a minor bit of historical correction. The Luftwaffe did not go down fast in the Battle of Britain. It went on for quite a while and a lot of brave airmen died in fending them off. Hitler gave up and moved on to other things, with the Luftwaffe remaining quite a potent force for a long time after that.

Nowhere does Pat say WWII would not have happened but for Poland's intransigence. The only conclusion is that it could not have gone worse for Poland and might have gone better.

[AndyJackson]

But in hindsight we along with Pat can know what Option 2 would have meant for Poland given Hitler's barbarism in other parts of Europe long after Poland had fallen. Look at what he did to Holland after they surrendered.

What they did in Holland was not pleasant at all, but it paled in comparison to what Hitler did in Poland, not to try to put a fine a point on degrees of inhumanity.