Posted on 05/15/2008 4:28:56 PM PDT by SandRat
Absolutely incorrect.
The violence continued on March 18 with further demonstrations in many localities across Kosovo, notably at Čaglavica again and also in Kosovska Mitrovica, Lipljan, Obilic and Pristina. The casualty toll at the end of the day was 28 and 600 people were injured, including 61 peacekeepers and 55 police officers. U.N. spokeswoman Isabella Karlowitz said 110 houses and 16 churches were destroyed. She also reported that around 3,600 people had been made homeless by the violence, mostly Serbs but also Roma and Ashkali.Some lies do not become true regardless of how often they are repeated.
Do the Jihadists pay for the propaganda services of Ronly Bonly Jones?
The latest return of Ronly Bonly Jones since his initial ban on June 11, 2004.
Many of what it reports are merely accusations - some by KLA soldiers themselves.
The rapes are entirely unsubstantiated with DNA evidence. The Macedonian medical personnel reported that the refugees were arriving UNINJURED.
It is known that the KLA ordered the people to leave when NATO started bombing - this was testified to by a German reporter who was embedded with the KLA throughout 1998 and 1999. He witnessed how they controlled the Albanian refugees and were creating internal refugee problems and camps BEFORE the NATO bombing. They also told the Albanians what roads to use when they left.
Even a KLA commander at the trial admitted they gave orders for the people to leave.
The refugees HAD on jewelry when they arrived in Macedonia, they had money and some were reported to have guns according to the Macedonians.
As for the number of Albanian men killed it was 50-100 times LOWER than the propaganda during the war which had 100,000 to 500,000 men "missing" and believed to be killed.
The majority of the men killed were KLA fighters and there are memorials to these men all over Kosovo. They even have a memorial wall pattered after the U.S. Vietnam memorial wall of black marble and with names on them.
The Albanian population grew under Serb rule. From Milosevic's reign in the late 1980's until NATO bombing ALL those Albanians lived and raised their families in Kosovo.
None of them showed malnutrition and many of the younger people wore leather jackets (especially men), jewelry, make up, etc. and this shows on the pictures/video if you scrutinize.
You are reading a bunch of propaganda hype/lies and believing everything.
THE ALBANIAN KLA INITIATE THE VIOLENCE. THEY PURPOSELY ATTACKED AND KILLED POLICE TO BRING A CRACKDOWN TO BUY AN EXCUSE FOR FOREIGN INTERVENTION.
They also kidnapped and killed Serb civilians - this was down with increasing frequency in the year's run up to the NATO bombing.
As fro NATO they were positioning themselves in Macedonia over a year before the bombing.
The fact of the Serbs doing ethnic cleansing right when NATO had positioned itself and was flying over Serbia doesn't make sense as it would bring heavier bombing. Instead it suited the NATO PR excuse/agenda to bomb day after day.
Then you have to look at the Albanian population/census in Kosovo to realize it is essentially the same as it was pre-war which depicts no genocide.
People simply left during the bombing and came back after it was over.
There have been kidnapping, murder, looting and theft from minorities. There is heavy pressure which forces minorities out - this includes the Goranis (Slavic Muslims in Kosovo's south) and Croats (hundreds of Kosovo Croats left for Croatia). There are still reports of Albanians pressuring these people who are left and trying to gain control of the land and businesses they use to survive.
There was also the war in Macedonia in 2001 which was supported by Kosovo fighters who were involved. Additionally there was fighting in southern Serbia in 2000-2001 which was supported by Kosovo. The potential is there for more war and they are now on hold to make Kosovo look more peaceful. But it ain't over.
The Kosovo Albanians are highly involved in illegal activities and network over Europe. Many of the largest drug/thieving gangs in Spain, Britain, and Italy are Kosovo Albanians (sometimes mixed with other Albanians.)
The war was started by the Kosovo Albanians with western help and training (CIA, Germany's BND) and ended when they got what they wanted all along - the Serbian government and forces out of Kosovo so they could have it for themselves.
THEY are the ones that start the wars and then shut them down.
Giving the ethnic Albanian criminals Kosovo is rewarding terrorism and theft.
The thousand and thousands of men, women, children and old people who have been slain or tortured to death, the villages marauded and burnt to the ground, the women and young girls who have been raped, and the countryside plundered, ravaged and swimming in blood can give no answer to this question.Leo Freundlich: Albania's Golgotha: Indictment of the Exterminators of the Albanian People http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH1913_1.html And while this may ancient in the West, when and do it again in 1999, you talk about "throwing them out" in 2008, people do react. One of their church leaders recently called Russia to invade or give Serbia guns and volunteers. The problem is that people there apparently don not want to become Serbs.
The Serbs came to Albania not as liberators but as exterminators of the Albanian people. The Ambassadors' Conference in London proposed drawing the borders of Albania according to ethnic and religious statistics to be gathered on site by a commission. The Serbs have hastened to prepare the statistics for them with machine guns, rifles and bayonets. They have committed unspeakable atrocities.
The shock and outrage produced by these crimes are outdone only by the sense of sorrow that such vile deeds could be committed in Europe, not far from the great centres of western culture, in this twentieth century. Our sorrow is made all the heavier by the fact that, despite the reports which have been cabled home for months now by the journalists of many nations, and despite the impassioned indictment launched to the world by Pierre Loti, nothing has been done to put an end to the killings.
A courageous people full of character is being crucified before the eyes of the world and Europe, civilized Christian Europe, remains silent!
Tens of thousands of defenceless people are being massacred, women are being raped, old people and children strangled, hundreds of villages burnt to the ground, priests slaughtered.
And Europe remains silent! Serbia and Montenegro have set out to conquer a foreign country. But in that land live a freedom-loving, brave people who despite centuries of servitude have not yet become accustomed to bearing a foreign yoke. The solution is obvious. The Albanians must be exterminated!
Gee, I wonder why they are "unhappy"? Could it be because we invaded their country, built a military base, became an occupier and then gave a piece of their country away to Albania?
Is this your definition of "working out well"?
Don't know about you but this makes me ashamed, not proud. We are "the USA", not Nazi Germany and not the Taliban, but you wouldn't know it from the results we've supported in Kosovo.
i was being completely sarcastic. get some food in yer bellie
Though the Turkish had to actually order the Albanians to stop their killings for in killing off Serbs and Christians in Macedonia, the tax base was being eroded.
The Turks took a heavy amount of the agricultural production of the Christians they overlorded.
There are historical photos of Turkish soldiers having to escort Serb religious peoples in Kosovo due to Albanian attacks.
It was entirely unsafe to travel in Kosovo before Yugoslavia was created as the Albanians would rob and kill travelers.
One of their methods was to create an obstruction in the road, including rolling bolders down the hillsides, so the travelers had to stop and the Albanians would come down from the hillsides/mountains to rob and kill them.
Actually it was a convenient excuse for illegals to claim their documents were destroyed in order to get a blank check to enter Kosovo or go off to another country as a "Kosovo refugee".
There were reports of up to 400,000 Albanians from Albania and Macedonia flooded Kosovo after NATO's war. The border was left wide open for many months.
Britain says 90% of the alleged Kosovo refugees they've deported, they sent to Albania after discover that is where they were from.
British parents have even foster alleged Kosovo orphans only to find out they were from Albania and not orphans, and usually a different age than they claimed to be.
There was one case of a family who brought 2 Albanian brothers into their household - they brothers claimed their mother had been killed by Serb and her body dumped in a well.
Only about a year later did the family learn the truth - that the brothers were from Albania, not orphans and a few years older than they claimed. This was after a year of having things pilfered and money stolen from them, after one of them tried to seduce their 13-year-old daughter, after noticing the poor Kosovo refugee orphans liked to watch porn all day, etc.
Crackdown on Albanians who lied about fleeing Kosovo war
Hundreds of successful asylum seekers could have their British citizenship revoked after investigators uncovered a massive immigration fraud.
The Home Office is targeting Albanians who claimed to be victims of the war in Kosovo.
According to the Daily Mail's sister paper, the Evening Standard, more than 80,000 refugees settled in Britain when Nato expelled Serbian forces from the province amid accusations of "ethnic cleansing" in 1999.
Now the Home Office has evidence that many were not refugees fleeing the war but economic migrants from neighbouring Albania who adopted fake Kosovar identities to claim asylum.
The clampdown, launched last month, is being aimed at those whose identities have been checked and proved false - genuine refugees from the Kosovo conflict are not affected.
The precise number of those involved is not known, but dozens of letters are thought to have been sent out so far, with more to come as information is gathered.
London's 25,000-strong Albanian community has been thrown into panic by the move, with internet forums flooded with posts from people anxious about their future in Britain.
A genuine asylum seeker, who was given permission to remain, said: "It's been an open secret for years that thousands of Albanians were getting refugee status here by saying they were from Kosovo. It used to be the fasttrack route into Britain and lots of people took it.
"There was a network that included traffickers and intermediaries. People were told to say they were from Kosovo - it never failed."
Many of those facing expulsion have jobs, mortgages and British passports, with children who speak English and are at school here.
The Home Office letters warn that those suspected of getting a passport by deception could face three months in jail or a £5,000 fine.
This week, another letter was sent out by the Border and Immigration Agency, ordering those suspected of trickery to hand in their passports.
The letter adds that the passport and certificate of naturalisation will be retained "until this matter is resolved".
Another letter said their application for citizenship would be re-assessed, causing confusion because those affected are not sure if they are going to be deported.
The clampdown began when British embassy officials in the Albanian capital, Tirana, examined applications from so-called Kosovars who had been given leave to remain in Britain and wanted to bring their families over as well.
Embassy staff noted that the families all seemed to be from Albania, not Kosovo, and further checks revealed that a massive fraud had been operating for years.
A Home Office spokesman said: "We believe British citizenship should be a gold standard. Whenever we receive evidence of fraud we will investigate.
"Where we can prove fraud we will strip individuals of their citizenship and remove them from the country."
“Have Kosovo become part of EU”
Lol!! Seriously, do you really believe EU nations want Kosovo to be a part of EU? You really need to wake up and smell the coffee...the only reason several EU countries have recognised Kosovo’s dependent independence is because finally they can stop taking in all the “refugees” from there. Get it? You give them their own “home” and that way you don’t need to let them into your home. You obviously do not live in Europe and definitely don’t understand the European way of thinking!
>. There were reports of up to 400,000 Albanians from Albania and Macedonia flooded Kosovo after NATO’s war. The border was left wide open for many months.
I realize that you probably think Srebrenica didn’t happen, Bosnian “rapes” were fake, that Croatia bombed Dubrovnik and that Serbs didn’t loot, kill and /or rape civilians during the 4 wars they started, but still:
where are those reports??
>. Britain says 90% of the alleged Kosovo refugees they’ve deported, they sent to Albania after discover that is where they were from.
Booohoo. People lie to get papers as if Serbs, Romanian or Chinese don’t do the same.
I will answer the “invented” rape (and looting) cases when I get back: but start searching for Arkan’s goons going to prisons and releasing the scum of the scum to unleash them on civilians. Also start to search on why:
“During the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, Serbian men described themselves as compelled to rape and murder Kosovar women and children. This felt necessity was provoked and sustained by collective memories nurtured in Serbs for seven centuries. The basic question I hope to answer is whether group members caught in the throes of collective memories should be held responsible for their actions when they “can do no other.”” http://volokh.com/files/serbposter.jpg
From NYT (part of the conspiracy, I take?):
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As Djakovica suffered, other Serbs were at work nearby purging a wide area they regarded as a rebel highway.
In a rare account by a Serb, a captured soldier described to NATO interrogators how his infantry battalion was sent without explanation to Pec.
On March 27, the soldier said, his commander gathered about 100 men outside an elementary school and outlined their mission: expelling Albanians from their homes. The time had come, he said, to drive the Albanians out of Serbia, according to an American official familiar with the account.
The troops were to move through the city house by house, he said, ordering residents to dress in a few minutes, pack one small bag and leave in the direction of Decani, a city to the south. The soldiers looted jewelry, torched homes. At day’s end, many were driving new cars.
An artillery and armoured unit deployed to the nearby village of Ljubenic used rougher tactics. The soldier said a friend in the unit had told him they had killed 80 men while expelling the women, children and elderly.
In another of the region’s villages, Bela Crkva (Bellacrkva in Albanian), on March 25, soldiers and special policemen torched the homes and farm buildings and killed at least 62 people, most of them gunned down with automatic weapons in a stream bend.
‘’They just started shooting,’’ Mr. Zheniqi, a survivor, said in an interview. ‘’The dead bodies behind me pushed me over a cliff and into the stream. I was lucky because all the dead bodies fell on top of me.’’
It was one of a series of mass killings over the next few days along a seven-mile stretch of villages in the rolling hills, including Celina, Pirane, Krush-e-Vogel (called Mala Krusa in Serbian) and Krush-e-Mahde (Velika Krusa), where Bekim Duraku remembered, life was so ‘’beautiful, if someone offered to take me to the United States, I wouldn’t have gone.’’
On March 26, the third day of the NATO bombing, the idyllic life ended in one of the best-documented of the mass killings, including an amateur videotape of the bodies. Serbian forces stormed through the village shooting down people in several areas, burning some bodies, digging a mass grave with a backhoe for others and leaving some lying in piles on the ground.
That’s rioting. That’s not open warfare. And there is a distinction. I wish there were a better solution, but no one wants it there. So we sit on the fire and keep it from really breaking out.
Pass, Marko, don't pick a quarrel,This is your hero, a vassal. Serbs were the nicest vassals Turks ever had. Loyal, quiet and efficient. There was no shame in it either.
Or dismount and we'll drink some wine;
But yield to you — that I will not,
Though a queen did give you birth
In a pavilion on soft cushions,
And swaddled you in purest silk,
Bound you with golden cords
And fed you on honey and sugar.
Though a stern Albanian woman gave me birth
Among the sheep, on a cold flagstone,
And swaddled me in a black cape,
Bound me with bramble stems
And fed me on oatmeal porridge,
Yet she besought me often
Never to make way for any man!
source
Life under the Ottoman Empire, involving as it did for the majority population what would nowadays be called collaboration with the enemy. For example, the main hero of Serbian folk poetry, Prince Marko (Kraljevic Marko), endowed in popular imagination with superhuman strength and extraordinary bravery as well as great cunning, was a historical figure--in fact a small feudal ruler who, like all the other Serbian Christian nobles, became the Turkish sultan's vassal after the Kosovo battle.(for the record, after distracting and then killing Musa, Marko cries because he knows that Musa is a better man)
In one of the Serbian folk ballads called "Kraljevic Marko i Musa Kesedzija," Marko is commissioned by the Turks to kill Musa, represented in the poem as a bandit but in fact an Albanian insurgent against Turkish rule. The necessity to collaborate with the enemy induced in the Serbs a strong sense of inferiority and a correspondingly powerful urge for a violent compensation, both of which are reflected in Serbian folk poetry (later discovered and much praised by the Grimm brothers and other German scholars of the Romantic era). Much of that poetry is so violent and sadistic that in schools, as I myself remember, it was taught in a severely bowdlerized form.
The greater albania project is dead Rexhep, no one here is buying your revisionist history. Please post over at the DU where the ever presence of naivety may produce better fruit for you, you're waisting your time here.
I posted links Redxep or whatever your name is. It isn’t my history: it’s yours and it isn’t pretty, despite you propaganda.
I happen to know that this Peter French lecture at Kent State never took place. Even with the usual hysterical anti-Serbianism on college campuses, this poster and lecture was considered so racist and vile that it was removed from campus and Peter French never gave that lecture at Kent State.
Dream up a the weirdest, kinkiest most sadistic nightmare scenario, and Albanians will lie and tell you that "Serbs did this to them". The amazing thing is that people bought this manure propaganda.
So, got any more racist bull-puckey to pull out of butt to bore us with, mold-mold?
This escalated into an outrageously false (and I believe libelous) article posted on a website (www.serbianna.com) in which my views are grossly mischaracterized. This website wrongly attributes to me the claim that "Serbian people are rapist and killers because they are delusional about their history during the time they lived under the Islamic Law in Kosovo." I make no such claim. Nor do I make any of the other wild claims now attributed to me in emails and elsewhere. I do not think the Serbian people are or were delusional and I was not going to say so in the lecture. Nor do I think the Serbian people are rapists and killers (although individual Serbs have raped and murdered, as have members of every ethnic group on Earth). http://www.volokh.com/posts/chain_1172881618.shtml
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