[jmc813]

Giving up, letting Obama or Hillary institute national healthcare is the worst thing that can happen. It will NEVER be undone. Ever. Once in, it won’t get removed. That is GUARANTEED to happen if McCain loses.

National healthcare collapsed when Clinton proposed it and had a Democratic congress. The president has much less power than the "if Democrats win, we're doomed" crowd leads one to believe.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Last time, there were still a few reasonable Democrats around in Congress, and Hill and Bill thought they'd have a few more years to try it. The Contract with America caught them with their pants down in 1994 and eliminated the chance for implementing the plan.

This time, it's a central plank of the Democrats, and you can be that Obama or Hillary will waste ZERO time to get it passed.

And we won't even have a filibuster to use - the Donks will gladly wipe away that procedural limit as being a blocker. They will use the nuclear option, and ensure it goes through.

The way to stop creeping socialism is to never give it a chance to grow. Cut off the main taproot, and go after the smaller suckers. You don't focus on the suckers and let the taproot grow deeper and stronger.