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1 posted on 05/14/2008 1:42:24 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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British cut up and divided their empire like it was cake. Not realizing the arbitrary lines they are drawing are full of real issues, real values, real emotions and real people. From Iraq, to India-Pakistan, to Africa, to even some Island disputes between China and Japan, Brits did not think it through when they decided to pack up and leave.

Some say it was done on purpose with the thought being that conflicts would keep people weak and somehow that would help keep the crown strong.

I don’t believe that. They however did manage to leave mess behind.


2 posted on 05/14/2008 1:47:48 PM PDT by The_Republican (Ovaries of the World Unite! Rush, Laura, Ann, Greta - Time for the Ovulation!)
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Seems a fair enough criticism, however, it would be worth pointing out to the author that same ‘chattering classes’ who condemn Israel for ‘Imperialism’ are generally not the type of people who are fond of bellowing lusty renditions of ‘Rule Britannia’ in praise of the glorious British Empire either. There is no hypocrisy from them when they criticise Israel’s alleged ‘imperialism’ for their part as individuals....


3 posted on 05/14/2008 1:50:20 PM PDT by thundrey
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or Sir Francis Drake's ruthless plundering of the Spanish colonies) should castigate as colonialist, imperialist and racist a country that

How preposterous.

It wasn't "racism" that drove the British to act against Spain. Their motive was to block the Spanish from taking over the world, including the New World.

6 posted on 05/14/2008 1:56:09 PM PDT by what's up
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Israel history ping


7 posted on 05/14/2008 1:57:41 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Karl Marx supported free trade. Does that make him a free market conservative?)
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Her "chattering classes," as the British call them -- journalists, academics, writers, "talking heads" and "intellectuals"

The current breed otherwise known as Marxists.

And, yes, Marxists hate Israel.

8 posted on 05/14/2008 1:58:56 PM PDT by what's up
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Well, such is the party line. Scholars reexamining that era are concluding that Britain was not as hostile to Zionism as the propagandists of the period claimed.


9 posted on 05/14/2008 2:03:49 PM PDT by x
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Her Majesty's Government promised Palestine to the Jews in the Balfour Declaration in 1917

I believe it is a bit misleading to assert that Her Majesty's Government promised Palestine to the Jews.

Lloyd George's government authorized a letter pledging the support of the British government for the establishment in Palestine of a ‘National Home’ for the Jewish people. Neville Chamberlain's government abrogated the declaration in 1939.

10 posted on 05/14/2008 2:08:23 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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Joan Peters’ book, From Time Immemorial, does an outstanding job of detailing the past history of Arab animosity and treachery towards Jews over the past 1500 years.

The Ottaman Turks, frustrated by the lack of tax revenue generated by Palestine, invited European Jewry to emigrate to that region and restore its usefulness. The Jews built farms and orchards, then fellahin (Arab peasants) migrated into Palestine from surrounding areas to seasonally work in the fields and orchards. Ms. Peters fully develops the repercussions of the above, and the age-old hatred Arab Muslims have for Jews.

I was surprised to find that animostiy traces as far back as 3500 years ago, when three ancient Hebrew tribes separated from Moses and traveled south into the Arabian penninsula. They set up trading posts and thrived for 2000 years before being wiped out by the Prophet Muhammed, angered by Jewish leaders unwilling to accept Muhammed as a new Prophet. So Muhammed ordered his new converts to slaughter all Jews, everywhere and forever.


11 posted on 05/14/2008 2:09:12 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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14 posted on 05/14/2008 3:11:56 PM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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Ping


15 posted on 05/14/2008 3:16:23 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (www.pinupsforvets.com)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing


16 posted on 05/14/2008 4:32:22 PM PDT by Swiss
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Wales does not have a cross because the Welsh do not use the St. David's Cross but a Red Dragon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Wales
17 posted on 05/14/2008 6:36:50 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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First Her Majesty's Government promised Palestine to the Jews in the Balfour Declaration in 1917 The person who write this needs to read a history book. King George V was on the throne in 1917. Last time I checked George is a His not Her.
22 posted on 05/14/2008 10:09:42 PM PDT by C19fan
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ping to reader later


25 posted on 05/15/2008 3:54:59 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: forkinsocket

very well written


29 posted on 05/15/2008 6:07:21 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: forkinsocket; SJackson; LS; indcons; archy; Alouette; snugs; patton

Ping for comments.


30 posted on 05/15/2008 6:57:17 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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Outside of the Muslim countries, no press in the world is as biased, as unfair, and as dishonest and vindictive towards Israel as the British press.
Britain has a press? I thought all those were published in the OPEC countries. Thanks indcons.
33 posted on 05/15/2008 9:31:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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I knew the writer of this piece was lazy when she wrote ‘England’ rather than Britain.

Not only are those two not the same(a common mistake outside Britain and Ireland), but Balfour was a Scotsman.


37 posted on 05/15/2008 2:35:39 PM PDT by the scotsman
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She misses the ramifications of the Woodrow Wilson’s idealism and the subsequent US refusal to participate in the League of Nations after making the Mandates integral to the US entry into the League.

The fecklessness of the USA, after promising participation in the League and then taking it’s ball and going home, left the British in a rather untenable situation.

And, if they had wanted, Canada and the USA and Australia could have opened up entry to Europe’s Jews instead of letting them languish in Europe.


39 posted on 05/15/2008 2:56:50 PM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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I have been encouraged by some of the knowledgeable comments here. This is both for and against my native country. Good when such a touchy subject has seen fair comment.

I think it apt to remark on the bombing of the King David Hotel. It is true that the switchboard operator got a warning about a bomb. So many false alarms had been received generally about bombs, it was thought it was just another one.

It is a matter of conjecture as to whether the terrorists knew this. Herewith the figures of the dead.

41 Palestinians.
28 British
17 Jews
4 various Egyptian, Armenian and Turkish.

Tragically for Britain, the term that would have drastically help turn the propaganda war, was this one. It was unknown at that time, I believe.

Peace Keepers.

41 posted on 05/15/2008 5:00:34 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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