Posted on 05/12/2008 12:32:12 PM PDT by Red Badger
Yes.
U.S. Motor Gasoline Blending Components Imports by Country of Origin
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epobg_im0_mbblpd_m.htm
U.S. Finished Motor Gasoline Imports by Country of Origin
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epm0f_im0_mbblpd_m.htm
But not a huge amount in my opinion.
You can carry 8 adults legally AND still have 30 cubic feet of cargo space?
Man, that’s SOME Sienna!
You might be right. Diesel fuel in the US costs more in urban and suburban areas. This might not be refinery related but due to EPA dictate. California and Northeast states severely limit diesels due to higher percentage of particulates emitted. Based on the upcharge for a diesel vehicle and the higher cost for fuel, the improved MPG might be moot.
Try this:
Go back and read my post again.
Finished Gasoline Plus the Gasoline Blending Components from Europe average about 472 MBPD for the last six months.
Compare that to the 9,108 MBPD we used.
“Full size? It appears to have less interior space than our family Toyota Sienna minivan, which gets 27mpg highway with a peppy V-6.”
You’re right. It is definitely not a full-size van. Full-size for the rest of the world, but not nearly as big as a 15-passenger van.
28 mpg is nice and all, but not that big a deal in a smaller vehicle.
In 2001, I drove a 15 passenger Ford V-10 from Austin, Texas to San Diego and back, and got about 17 mpg. Last I checked, a 15-passenger van carries darn near twice as many people as an 8-passenger van.
Motor Gasoline Blending Components
Feb '08 we imported a total of 19,059 Kbbls, and only 3,288 Kbbls came from OPEC.
Belgium - 403
France - 1,900
Germany - 414
Italy - 171
Latvia - 693
Netherlands - 951
Norway - 175
Portugal - 382
Romania - 21
Spain - 264
Sweden - 311
U.K. - 622
Which slide do you claim from that 2 year old presentation shows Europe Gasoline Imports equaling 12.5% of US gasoline consumption?
The guy is right; I also drive a Sienna. Great car.
Europeans are smaller in width not height. I think vehicle size follows the rental car agency definitions. On a trip from Lucca in Tuscany to Venice, I quickly developed muscle cramps in the back seat of a “standard-sized” Ford Contour. When one of the other guys switched seats with me, he didn’t find it as spacious as he first thought (he’s close to 6 ft.). His car is a Citroen so I could see how a Ford Contour might look big compared to that tiny hatchback.
Using your link, I count 218 Kbbls per day in Feb '08.
Belgium - 14
France - 66
Germany - 14
Italy - 6
Latvia - 24
Netherlands - 33
Norway - 6
Portugal - 13
Romania - 1
Spain - 9
Sweden - 11
U.K. - 21
Total - 218 Kbbs per day
Yes. With the bench seats its 9 adults, and you have more leg room than in any European van I've ridden in.
Man, that’s SOME Sienna!
Fairly standard for a mini-van.
From the countries you listed, that is a total of 6,307 kBbls. For Feb ‘08, the US used 256,422 kBbls or 1 in 40.
U.S. Finished Motor Gasoline Product Supplied
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mgfupus1m.htm
Looking at the picture, the third row must use the hatch as a seat back.
It states ~30 cu ft space “with passengers”, but that can’t mean the third row.
Yup, you’re right, I’m wrong.
The 28 mpg score in the headline is on a different test, and cannot be directly compared to the US EPA test.
Comparing models that are sold in the same configuration here and in the UK, and have gone through both government games:
Santa Fe 2.7 V6 AWD, 26.6 mpg (imperial) on the UK test. 22.2 mpg using US gallons. US EPA says 19mpg. UK rating is 17% higher.
Tuscan 2.7 V6 AWD, 28.8 mpg (imperial) on the UK test. 24.0 mpg using US gallons. EPA test says 19mpg. UK rating is 26% higher.
So do the math and it’s likely this “33.2 mpg” vehicle would be rated 22-23 mpg under the US test.
I'll have to give up the FULL SIZE Sprinter I drive, giving me 25 mpg of diesel ( consistently!) ?
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