Posted on 05/11/2008 11:48:47 AM PDT by Perdogg
One of the thing I keep reading here on Free Republic is that a lot of conservatives are under the belief that if we get fours of Senator Obama or Senator Clinton that the American public would become so shocked and disgusted that they will be tripping over themselves in 2012 to elect a "true conservative" candidate. I have some issues with Senator McCain, however that's not the point here.
Lets look at the last 40 years. Only two presidential incumbents have lost their bid for re-election excluding President Ford. Ford was a special case, serving out the remainder of President Nixon's term. Even if you consider the 1976 election, the 1976 election came down to single county in Ohio despite all of the Ford's baggage. In fact we had two elections, where one of the candidate, the Vice-President, won extending the term of a two-term President (1988) and another election (2000) where another candidate, the Vice-President lost getting the majority of the popular vote, almost extended the term of the President. So it isn't easy unseating the President.
In 1992, the incumbent lost because the conservative vote was split.
Let's look at the 1980. In hindsight, it appears that Reagan blew out Carter. Governor Reagan soundly defeated President Carter in electoral college vote, however Reagan only receive 52% of the popular vote; Carter got 40%. Obviously the liberal vote was split by Congressman John Anderson. But what some people don't remember is that despite of Iran, the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan, stagflation, double digit interest rates, Billy Carter's Libyan fiasco, and the split at the democratic convention; the 1980 election was not decided until the final weekend before the election.
Some people say we can survive 4 years of Hilabama because we "survived" four years of Carter and 8 years of Bill Clinton. Four years of Carter got us 29 years of an Islamic Republic in Iran and 8 years of Clinton gave us the rise of Al Qaeda.
If Hilabama is elected, they will go to great lengths ensuring that they will never be out of power. They will leave no dime unspent in their pursuit of unabated democrat rule.
Your vote is your business. Just get all of the facts and be prepared to be disappointed.
He said (allegedly mind you) that Alito wears his Conservatism on his sleeve, do you think for a moment a SCOTUS nominee such as that would make it past a Senate Judiciary Cmte chaired by Pat Leahy?
Not for one second, even with the tradition of Fmr Senators being given leeway when it comes to judgment calls as Ashcroft did at first, we are looking squarely in the face of a Lib Takeover you seem to wish to ignore that fact.
The gang of 14 has proven to be a good idea if you haven’t noticed, the filibuster is alive and well in the Senate, if we had jettisoned that, the Liberals would run rampant during the next 2 years with nothing absolutely nothing to stop them from doing whatever the heck they wished to do, keep in mind the Senate operates on precedent, the idea that such a nuclear option could only be limited to Judicial Nominees is laughable in a clownish sort of way...
If you believe somehow that Obamao would be an upgrade over Mad John, I have some sunny beach front property coming up for sale at the North Pole to sell you..
I have a problem believing him about who he would appoint. Especially when he keeps changing his story, and given his record. Unless you think he started the gang of 14 to get conservatives on the bench.
So he’s just saying that he’ll appoint conservative judges to get elected? And that’s supposed to reassure conservatives?
The Dems have the advantage of Bush and the Pubbies' bad policies being fresh in voters' minds (open-ended war, high gas $, inflation, mortage crisis). Republicans have taken few risks and realized even fewer gains. In the public eye, they can be seen as having promised change and responsibility and have delivered the same old graft, higher spending, and Middle East entanglements that made energy more expensive, not less (their thoughts, not necessarily mine).
McCain is a beltway insider who wants more war. Keating 5. He is old and angry and borderline senile. He will be easy to run against. He will have no coat-tails. Do not blame fellow conservatives if he loses - blame the Republican party for not knowing how to cultivate and field winning conservatives - because they do not like conservatism. When it comes down to 6 of one half a dozen of the other, the one who promises the most goodies wins.
Whew! I'm glad that's all you got, that makes it a wash. I have 30 or 40 liberal neighbors that are letting me fill out their absentee ballots in exchange for a bottle of wine.
So what you’re saying is we can forget about getting conservative justices on the court no matter who is president because Pat Leahy will be Chairman of Judiciary. If that’s the case what difference does it make who is president?
The proposal wasn’t to do away with the filibuster. The proposal was to do away with the agreement that a filibuster could just be announced to be in effect, rather than have Senators on the floor talking as was the tradition for more than 125 years.
The idea being, the Democrats weren’t ready to have the Senate shut down to block judges. Republicans were ready to shut it down to get them approved. The gang of 14 stopped them from returning to the traditional filibuster.
Going back to real filibusters is an idea that should be implemented for all filibusters. The lazy louts in the Senate just don’t want to work that hard.
I do not think that elections will ever be the same . . .
IF
they are even held after 4 years, much less after 8.
Things increasingly look like they are shaping up faster and faster
PLEASE, ALL CONSERVATIVES . . . GET JOEL ROSENBERG’S
NOVEL
DEAD HEAT . . . and read it soonish.
That is because they know that no matter how you fill them out...They Win!
“...So what you’re saying is we can forget about getting conservative justices on the court no matter who is president because Pat Leahy will be Chairman of Judiciary. If that’s the case what difference does it make who is president?...”
So what you’re saying is that somehow Obama would even nominate Conservative Justices?
“..The proposal wasn’t to do away with the filibuster. The proposal was to do away with the agreement that a filibuster could just be announced to be in effect, rather than have Senators on the floor talking as was the tradition for more than 125 years....”
The Senate Rules regarding a filibuster would have to have been amended before the Senate was called into session, once that precedent was breached, what would keep any other group of Senators from doing the same thing?
“...Going back to real filibusters is an idea that should be implemented for all filibusters. The lazy louts in the Senate just don’t want to work that hard....”
Agree there, the farce of the rollaway beds being brought into the Senate chambers was amusing.
McCain is not my guy. But If I have to choose between these three, he is the best qualified.
If you feel like voting for someone else; that is the same as not voting because you are wasting your vote.
You sound kind of like a troll. Most people here on FR don't call each other Stalinist. Doesn't matter, you are entitled to your opinion. I'm some what concerned if you really can't tell the difference between the remaining candidates.
As a general rule the worst republican is superior to the best Democrat.
I am saying that once the rule is changed back it would be changed back for every filibuster, as it should be. The filibuster wouldn't be gone just the BS virtual filibuster would be gone. If a Senator or group of Senators want to stand in the well talking and halt all Senate business to kill a bill or a nomination, let them do it. The Senate worked much better when that was the way it was done.
Let me repost my idea of writing-in a McCain vote (where possible) instead of just ‘pulling the lever’, as a way of showing displeasure without electing Hillbama. If you just ‘hold your nose and vote for McCain’, you’ll quickly discover that as far as the 2009 ‘pubbies are concerned, you’re 100% behind his message.
Kind of hypocritical coming from someone who said, "If you can't tell the difference, you should leave the voting to those that can."
I called your statement "Stalinist" because you told me that my vote, unless cast for the person you choose, should NOT be cast.
Further you go on to say, "If you feel like voting for someone else; that is the same as not voting because you are wasting your vote."
Please explain how any vote is ever wasted. Unless, like Josef would contend, I am not following the party line and that is to be condemned?
Facts don’t matter. They simply can’t handle voting for McCain, and so they construct rationalizations to justify their inability to cope.
Dude... Do I need to show you how to punch the hole for the other candidate? :)
As with life... there are no guarantees. What are you, 5?
your rambling... are you off your meds again?
LOL. Which is exactly what I am planning, at this point, to do in November.
Agreed! THAT is how bad it could get. Obama could be President for 8 years and either his VP or Clinton could be President for another eight years. Yes, Hillary would be electable in 2016 at age 68 -- a year younger than Reagan was. So it could get very bad -- sixteen years of Democrat Presidents AND Democrat Congresses -- Pelosi and Reid or similar ilk for another 16 years -- or 60 years as xkaydet65 stated above.
The radical lib candidates, BOTH of them, have no concept of the military, THEY HATE IT, and would do everything in their power to tear it down, very much like Billary and Carter did, but worse. Our enemies are in heaven at the though of one of these two crank Marxists getting into the White House. The thought is beyond frigthening.
Add to their anti-defense Presidencies the anti-defense pro-socialist Congress of Pelosi and Reid and it could go beyond very bad. Visualize FDR's New Deal Programs taken to an extreme level AND losing World War IV to Islam AND losing our nation to Hispanic sappers.
It could get very, very, very bad. We could lose America.
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