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Spain Claims Sunken Treasure from Florida Deep-Sea Explorers
AP ^ | Thursday, May 08, 2008

Posted on 05/09/2008 6:41:53 AM PDT by Joiseydude

MADRID, Spain — Spain formally laid claim Thursday to a shipwreck that yielded a US$500 million treasure, saying it has proof the vessel was Spanish.

Officials demanded the return of the booty recovered last year by a U.S. deep-sea exploration firm, saying the 19th-century shipwreck at the heart of the dispute is the Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes — a Spanish warship sunk by the British navy southwest of Portugal in 1804 with more than 200 people on board.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: shipwreck; spain; treasure
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To: Southack

I was amused by that aspect too. “Give it back! We stole it fair and square!”


21 posted on 05/09/2008 6:59:54 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Joiseydude
"It is the property of the Spanish navy, government and people, and we want it all back," said Adm. Teodoro de Leste Contreras, who runs a naval museum owned by the ministry.

I think that a strong argument could be made that the gold and silver belongs to the Indians, who owned it long before the Spanish ever stepped foot into South America.

22 posted on 05/09/2008 7:04:09 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I think that a strong argument could be made that the gold and silver belongs to the Indians, who owned it long before the Spanish ever stepped foot into South America.

And long before the indians owned it it belonged to nobody. Since I'm a nobody I want my cut right now!!!
23 posted on 05/09/2008 7:12:09 AM PDT by Proverbs 3-5
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Not as strong as you think. You say the title to the gold is held by the Aztec (or whatever) Empire? How do you plan to return to gold?


24 posted on 05/09/2008 7:12:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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return the gold
25 posted on 05/09/2008 7:13:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Joiseydude
From the article: Washington-based lawyer James Goold, representing the Spanish government in the case, said U.S. Judge Mark Pizzo will convene the two parties to review the case before deciding who gets to keep the treasure.

Goold said at a Madrid news conference that he expected Odyssey would keep "not a penny" of the salvage.

So the salvage crew locates it, retrieves it from the sea, and the Spanish government want it ALL? Wow!

26 posted on 05/09/2008 7:18:12 AM PDT by scan59 (Markets regulate better than government can.)
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To: Joiseydude

One thing Spain has going for them in my book (and I’m loathe to see an ass sitting government step in and confiscate something they would never have put the time and resources into finding themselves) is that, IIRC, John Edwards has an approximately 10% stake in this treasure.


27 posted on 05/09/2008 7:19:27 AM PDT by Axenolith (Brother, Can you spare a tagline?)
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To: Axenolith
John Edwards has an approximately 10% stake in this treasure

isn't that the way of things... no matter how it ends up the lawyers will end up with it... one way or another...
28 posted on 05/09/2008 7:23:14 AM PDT by Proverbs 3-5
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To: Proverbs 3-5
Reminds me of an old joke...
...what do you call 1,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?
29 posted on 05/09/2008 7:24:14 AM PDT by Proverbs 3-5
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To: 1rudeboy

As most Mexicans are descendants of Indians (who never really disappeared after the Spanish Conquista), give it to Mexico?


30 posted on 05/09/2008 7:24:49 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

That’s the weak part of the argument.


31 posted on 05/09/2008 7:28:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: coloradan

I’m not an expert, but I recall reading about a Russian warship sunk in the Baltic during WWI. I believe legally, a warship remains the property of the nation it belonged to. A merchant ship does not. it’s fair game to salvagers altho the shipping line would have a claim. If I recall, the salvagers of the czarist battleship worked out a 50-50 split with the Soviets.


32 posted on 05/09/2008 7:30:41 AM PDT by wny
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To: coloradan
is the basis for Spain’s claim?

The same basis for any government claim againt private enterprise - greed and the long history of taking form those who earned and rsiked to accumulate.

33 posted on 05/09/2008 7:33:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: wny

Warships carry weapons, merchant ships carry treasure. If I were the salvager, I would turn over all the cannons and whatnot to Spain and keep the treasure. (Thereby closing the warship-merchant loophole.)


34 posted on 05/09/2008 7:36:56 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Proverbs 3-5

A minimal start. I was thinking maybe we could scatter money in the ocean and get them to retrieve it. However, lawyers don’t work for their booty, they sue someone else for it.


35 posted on 05/09/2008 7:39:48 AM PDT by wizr ("Today we are engaged in a final all out battle between Communism and Christianity." - Joe McCarthy)
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To: Proverbs 3-5

A good start...

What do you call a bus of lawyers that goes over a cliff with two empty seats?


36 posted on 05/09/2008 7:39:55 AM PDT by IMTOFT (At least I'm enjoying the ride...)
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To: from occupied ga

Ah, but the government will redistribute the wealth to the “childwen” and others who deserve it more than the evil capitalist pigs who stole it from spain, so therefore, it’s ok. After all, it’s not fair for some to succeed while others will fail, we must evenly distribute the wealth for everyone to share!


37 posted on 05/09/2008 7:47:04 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: coloradan

The Russian battleship was carrying gold to England to pay for armaments.


38 posted on 05/09/2008 7:49:03 AM PDT by wny
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To: evets
The Incan's stole it from Native Americans

Who were the Inca? Irish Christians?

39 posted on 05/09/2008 7:50:27 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's still unclear what impact global warming will have on vertical wind shear)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


40 posted on 05/09/2008 7:52:31 AM PDT by indcons
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