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Ex-Patriots Assistant Sends the N.F.L. Eight Tapes (Congressional investigation soon to follow)
NY Times ^ | 5/8/2008 | GREG BISHOP

Posted on 05/08/2008 11:37:23 AM PDT by tobyhill

A former New England Patriots employee has sent the N.F.L. eight videotapes showing the team recorded play-calling signals by coaches of five opponents in six games between the 2000 and 2002 seasons, in violation of league rules.

But the group of tapes does not include video of the St. Louis Rams’ walk-through practice the day before the 2002 Super Bowl. The employee, Matt Walsh, had been linked to such a tape by news media speculation.

Walsh emerged as a pivotal figure in the spying controversy that enveloped the Patriots last season after they were caught taping Jets defensive signals in the season opener.

Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1997 to 2003, agreed to turn over the tapes and other evidence by Thursday under an agreement reached last month between lawyers for the N.F.L. and Walsh. The agreement indemnifies Walsh from all future legal fees.

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To: lexusppd

Let’s see how other teams treat these guys this next season....


21 posted on 05/08/2008 12:01:22 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Tex Pete

Sports gambling is illegal in most states.


22 posted on 05/08/2008 12:02:21 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: tobyhill

They may as well paint bullseyes on their helmets this next season.....


23 posted on 05/08/2008 12:02:44 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
They may as well paint bullseyes on their helmets this next season.....

And guess what? They'll keep on winning.

24 posted on 05/08/2008 12:03:40 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
This is a croc...teams have been stealing other team’s signals for decades...not just in football but baseball is even more “theft” prone.....all those centerfield cameras focused on the catcher’s signals.

There is no rule against the CF camera in baseball and in any event it's there for BOTH teams to use. In the case of NE there IS a rule about filming the opposing teams signals.

This is BS, and certainly nothing to be wasting congressional time on.

I agree with this.

25 posted on 05/08/2008 12:04:25 PM PDT by lexusppd
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To: tobyhill

I still don’t see why recording hand gestures made in public is such a bad thing in the professional sports world


26 posted on 05/08/2008 12:04:30 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: kellynla
"So is the Patriots’ Super Bowl XXXVI 2002 championship in jeopardy?"

Their entire history under Belichek is a wash as far as 95% of the NFL fanbase is concerned. But, no, Goodell won't strip any titles.

27 posted on 05/08/2008 12:04:49 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: tobyhill

Sent them to the NFL? WTH for?

He should have sent copies to Fox and ESPN.


28 posted on 05/08/2008 12:06:15 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: tobyhill

Not even the justice department.

We’re talking about a GAME, here. So WHO CARES?

NO FEDERAL LAWS WERE BROKEN. And NO FEDERAL LAWS ARE NEEDED. Thus, the federal government can butt out and let the NFL take care of it.

If the NFL won’t take care of it you can always take a moral stand and stop watching or supporting NFL Football.

Again, it is a GAME!!! It is MEANINGLESS to the survival of this nation.


29 posted on 05/08/2008 12:06:23 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Tex Pete
If I were one of those gamblers, I would be extrememly interested in someone getting to the bottom of this, and the NFL hasn’t seemed particularly interested in doing so.

If I had lost enough to be extrememly interested in someone getting to the bottom of this I think I would have more to worry about than this.

Sorry, I have no sympathy to spare for gamblers.

The team broke no laws, only league rules.

30 posted on 05/08/2008 12:06:29 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I was at a Texas Rangers game last week and I swear the outfielder for KC gave me a hand gesture.


31 posted on 05/08/2008 12:06:50 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Spoken like a true Pat's fan. Of course there is no way you can no this but for your sake they better keep winning. If they have anything BUT an outstanding season next year the masses will all nod their heads and say "see, they cannot win on a level playing field(as it were)"

And the Pats will be forever known as the "Black Sox of the NFL"

32 posted on 05/08/2008 12:08:07 PM PDT by lexusppd
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To: tobyhill

Congress has nothing better to do? We have the subprime mortgage mess, illegal immigration, border guards in jail, and congress critters on the take, and they go after football fraud. What a bunch of losers.

I hope the D.C. Madam gave her black book to the media and all these randy politicians get exposed for what they are.


33 posted on 05/08/2008 12:08:36 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
This is a croc...teams have been stealing other team’s signals for decades...not just in football but baseball is even more “theft” prone.....all those centerfield cameras focused on the catcher’s signals. This is BS, and certainly nothing to be wasting congressional time on.

Precisely.

Videotaping the opposing team's signals isn't even against the rules---the rule was about where the camera recording the signals could be placed. And for those of you out there who still believe the Pats taped the St. Louis walk-through before the Super Bowl, guess what---Matt Walsh could not provide the NFL with that tape. It doesn't exist. Boston Herald reporter John Tomase made that story up, seemingly, out of whole cloth, as he's refused to name his source---undoubtedly Matt Walsh himself. Yet when the time came to put up or shut up, guess who shut up? Matt Walsh.

Tomase, in other words, is a complete fraud, and that part of the story was 100% bogus.

That Congress is wasting any time on this at all, while this country is in the middle of a war and an economic crisis, should have everyone reaching for the pitchforks.

34 posted on 05/08/2008 12:08:40 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: lexusppd
Spoken like a true Pat's fan. Of course there is no way you can no this but for your sake they better keep winning. If they have anything BUT an outstanding season next year the masses will all nod their heads and say "see, they cannot win on a level playing field(as it were)"

And the Pats will be forever known as the "Black Sox of the NFL"

Spoken like someone who perceives his ox has been gored. When you're on the top, like the Patriots are, someone is always looking to tear you down, and when they can't do it on the field, they try to do it by other means---even the most flimsiest of means. All your bellyaching and hyperventilating indignity means absolutely zero.

35 posted on 05/08/2008 12:12:33 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: WayneS
There very well could be laws broken, I just don't know at this time. Being each team is an individual franchise there could be some anti-trust issues. It's entertainment but it's also individual businesses and just like any business there is an expectation that it be free from corporate espionage and competitor spying.
36 posted on 05/08/2008 12:13:40 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: SengirV

Is it against the rules?


37 posted on 05/08/2008 12:14:48 PM PDT by gogov
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"Yet when the time came to put up or shut up, guess who shut up? Matt Walsh."

Matt Walsh never said he had tapes of the SB walk-thru. But Matt Walsh did, in fact, "put up" a tape of the AFC Championship game from that same year against the Steelers (the game before the SB) that is apparently quite clear in showing the extents Belichek would go to cheat. That tape, along with several others made against division rivals and a few others.

The facts are in Goodell's hands and this time, apparently Walsh's attorney wants everybody to know just in case they disappear again.

38 posted on 05/08/2008 12:16:15 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: tobyhill
corporate espionage and competitor spying

Corporate espionage? That's a stretch. They did not have people inside the other teams organizations or in their employ. They were not paying people working for other teams to give them inforomation. Were they?

As for competitor spying, don't they all look at game films, send scouts to games?

What is the differnce if they watch a coaches signals, then watch a play with the naked eye but meticulously document each without the aid of a camera? Is that OK?

39 posted on 05/08/2008 12:18:16 PM PDT by gogov
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To: WayneS

It isn’t illegal in Las Vegas, and you can bet your boots that millions upon millions were bet upon games in which the Patriots cheated.

There is a huge risk of bettors having had inside knowledge of the Patriots’ cheating and betting accordingly.

This is actually not a whole lot different than Wall Street insider trading, potentially.


40 posted on 05/08/2008 12:18:40 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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