[CottonBall]

A real conservative for change was Ronald Reagan. When he saw a crisis in his party, he worked to change the party. He didn’t give up. HE kept fighting on. People like Pat Buchanan and Bob Barr are conservatives who walk out when their brand of orthodoxy isn’t followed 100%.

I think the party was different 30-40 years ago - open to change and open to conservatism. It's neither now.

[Recovering_Democrat]

I think the party was different 30-40 years ago - open to change and open to conservatism. It's neither now.

On the contrary, the Republicans had been led by country club Republicans for years. The big difference was that conservatives were adamant about changing the party...now there are significant numbers who just want to quit and relegate themselves to a political cipher.