Posted on 05/07/2008 9:06:11 AM PDT by Politicalmom
Two prominent Utah legal minds say there is little members of the Fundamentalist LDS Church can do to stop the momentum of Texas' investigation. In other words: The train has left the station.
The main reason is that states typically give broader powers to state officials regarding child welfare than criminal investigations.
"We tend to view this as a criminal investigation, but the authorities down in Texas are involved in a child welfare action," said former federal judge and University of Utah law professor Paul Cassell.
Cassell said when it comes to making sure children are safe, the court will want to review any evidence possible to ensure what it's doing is in the best interest of the children.
Challenging such evidence within a child welfare case is difficult. Unlike a criminal action, the legal standards for throwing out evidence is much lower. "It's the law in many jurisdictions that you cannot suppress evidence in a child protective action," Cassell said.
That's not to say that the case won't turn into a criminal one. If that happens, Cassell said attorneys for FLDS members can then challenge its admission.
One common question surrounding this saga has been the basis for the search warrants. The raid on the YFZ Ranch was prompted by phone calls by someone claiming to be a 16-year-old named Sarah Barlow. The teen said she was pregnant and in an abusive, polygamous marriage to a man.
During the raid, Texas authorities didn't find Sarah, but say they uncovered signs of abuse and a judge ordered all of the children removed and placed in state protective custody.
Authorities in several states are now investigating a Colorado woman, who, they say, has a history of posing as abused young women. They now suspect this woman may have posed as Sarah.
But wouldn't that invalidate the search warrant?
Not necessarily, says Cassell.
"The government doesn't always have to be right with the search warrant, it just has to be reasonable," Cassell said.
Salt Lake defense attorney Greg Skordas agrees, saying as long as law enforcement is acting on "good faith" that the information they are acting on is correct, the warrant is valid.
Cassell said history can also play a part. For example, if police act on information that a man with a court history of drug dealing is dealing out of his home, that can be taken into consideration in supporting their reasons for a warrant even if that information later turns out to be bogus.
In this case, FLDS members have been charged and convicted in the past for arranging underage marriages to young girls. That can play a part in Texas upholding its search warrants as valid.
During its investigation, Texas authorities have said they have uncovered evidence of physical and sexual abuse among children. Cassell said courts have upheld that if law enforcement sees evidence — even if it's evidence of a completely different crime than what the search warrant suspected — that evidence can still be used in court.
"They don't have to avert their eyes of evidence of other wrongdoing," Cassell said. "They have to show probable cause to be pulling up fish, but if they're looking for a bass and they find a salmon, they don't have to throw the salmon back."
Cassell said courts have allowed state agencies to share information, meaning evidence gathered in a child welfare investigation can later be used in a criminal one.
FLDS members will have a chance to challenge the evidence if criminal charges are filed. But Cassell and Skordas both say that will be the last thing to hit the courts. The most immediate thing the courts are concerned about is the safety of the children and establishing some sort of permanency.
"You can't fight city hall," Skordas said. "The FLDS haven't done themselves any favors either because they're so secretive."
Skordas said the best thing FLDS members could do right now is fully cooperate with authorities in their investigation, because that would likely result in getting their children back sooner.
Like it or not people who break the law have Constitutional rights or else there is no law.
There are groups trying to help the Lost Boys. However they are victims too & sadly many turn to drugs etc. How a parent could do this to a child is beyond me. But I raised 2 boys who weren’t my own & have taken in others for short times so I know its not just the FLDS parents.... The Lost Boys need a voice & they need to be able to get help. Maybe a group will be able to help them now that this is out in the media, I hope so. I can only imagine what they must feel. Prayers for the Lost Boys.
Not so. If you're child is physically and/or sexually abusing you, you have the right to call the police, which may lead to the child's arrest, depending on the tyke's age, of course.
Would these children possibly be sent back to the same lifestyle from which they were removed? Of course that makes no sense at all. The established mothers of the children would have to give up their polygamous ways and move into the "outside" world. If the fathers have children by multiple women, I guess they'll have to choose one and hope she'll want him.
Ahh! There lies the truth that no smoking gun exists. That proves that accusations of child abuse are blatant lies! (sarc)
Just so, TE. Besides, although the source panax provided is written in a fairly objective manner, the statistics provided in it are of little value, given that many of the inhabitants ages are intentionally not verifiable.
And monogamous now doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way. The article does not specify whether the current monogamous couples are of age or not.
And monogamous now doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way.
Respectfully, Froufrou, that requires speculating and I don't think that is useful here. It also isn't necessary when we can say with some certainty that 66% of married households there are polygamous. It can hardly be considered an anomaly or an isolated phenomenon or something kept hush hush in the community pretending it doesn't happen. That is a solid majority which shows that it is a preferred and accepted practice.
Given that a polygamous marriage by definition means multiple wives and monogamous only one that puts the total number of adults practicing polygamy well over 66% unless the number of single adults is a rather significant percentage which I doubt. No figures in the article on that either.
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