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1 posted on 05/01/2008 4:48:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Well put Dr. Buker.


2 posted on 05/01/2008 4:55:32 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: neverdem

I was in Billings last weekend, and it occurred to me... I could definitely live there! :)


3 posted on 05/01/2008 4:58:41 PM PDT by republicanequestrian
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To: neverdem
Our founders gave us LIBERTY, and that's why we shouldn't have to ask some politician or bureaucrat permission to own our personal weapons. I hope to hell that Americans (including conservatives) start to give some thought to the value of that archaic word. It's what distinguished us from other nations (at least until now).

We The People, are much more law abiding than our government.

4 posted on 05/01/2008 4:58:50 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: neverdem
In 1991 Elaine Scarry, now at Harvard, wrote a monograph in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review. The article is retrievable online here:

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Scarry1.html

Along the way to making a case for wholesale review of U.S. nuclear-weapons control policy, Scarry usefully reviewed the militia laws since 1792, including the relevant acts governing the National Guard whose constitutional problems she illuminates as a side issue to her main thesis.

She shows that the Framers fully intended that the People be armed, and that they intended that the nation, for the sake of the People's liberty, rely primarily on the Militia for its security.

5 posted on 05/01/2008 5:04:15 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: neverdem

Here’s a frivolous aside: In the distant past, when wearing swords in public was common among gentlemen, if not the bourgeoisie and laborers, as much as not, swords were a symbol of class and rank. A gentleman just wore a sword, to identify himself as a gentleman, and that was that.

It was somewhat different in the old West, as guns were most frequently worn by the laboring class, and less common among the middle class and wealthy in most situations. And far from being fashionable, guns were seen as a useful and practical tools. If you were working out in the wilderness, you just had to have a gun for all sorts of reasons.

But in either case (and I’m sure that someone could point out great flaws in either of these examples), weapons had a dual purpose which made them almost a uniform need among the people who carried them.

So my aside is, today, carried openly or concealed, what other social reason can you imagine that would make guns “the thing to have” for the typical man on the street? Just like men all used to wear hats, what do you think might be the trendy reason to sport a gun today, besides its purpose as a weapon?

In past, I’ve thought that a business could encourage its employees to be armed, not for any great reason, except to both improve morale and esprit. Of course, if the business was either in a bad neighborhood or its employees were at some risk, it would be a good idea as well, and would demonstrate that the business cared for its employees.

But what would make a gun “the thing to have” for the typical man on the street, beyond its use as a weapon?

Perhaps as a tool, perhaps as a fashion statement, perhaps as a symbol of affiliation or adulthood. And not just for men, but women as well. I wonder.


7 posted on 05/01/2008 5:22:01 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: neverdem
Things have changed in the last two hundred plus years and the rules had to be changed in this writers opinion. Even in Montana it is illegal to have a fully automatic rifle (although the writer is aware of several fully automatic submachine guns and rifles in the area.) Bazookas, artillery and rifle propelled grenades are not for public use, and in this state we cannot carry concealed weapons without a special permit. So even now the right to bear arms is not an unrestricted privilege.

Times may have changed, and rules may, may I said, need to have been changed. But they haven't been. The Rules for government in the United States are set out in the Constitution, the Second Amendment still reads the same as the day it was passed. It still still means the same thing too. So until the rules *are* changed, any talk of "gun control" better mean hitting what you aim at.

But I like the doc's notion of getting more fully automatic intermediate power rifles out into homes. If nothing else it would make burglars think about 10 times and then decide they had other things to do.

8 posted on 05/01/2008 5:54:31 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem
"In Montana if one wants to loose in an election, "

Then I stopped reading.

9 posted on 05/01/2008 6:00:59 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Holy State or Holy King - Or Holy People's Will - Have no truck with the senseless thing.)
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To: neverdem
The Doc is wrong about fully automatic weapons in Montana, The NRA/ILA PDF file on MT gun laws says:

Possession or use of a machine gun in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of a crime of violence is punishable by not less than 20 years in prison. Possession or use of a machine gun for an aggressive or offensive purpose is prohibited. A presumption of possession for an aggressive or offensive purpose is raised by possession or use by a person who has been convicted of a crime of violence.

This law does not prohibit or interfere with the possession of a machine gun for scientific purposes, or the possession of a machine gun that is not usable as a weapon and possessed as a curiosity, ornament or keepsake, or the possession of a machine gun for a purpose manifestly not aggressive or offensive

11 posted on 05/01/2008 6:11:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem
In the year 2005 there were 30,694 deaths due to gun shot wounds in this country

How many of these gun related deaths were self defense?
How many of these gun related deaths were committed by the Police in the execution(?) of their duty?
How many of these gun related deaths were accidental?
How many of these gun related deaths were suicides?
et al ad nauseum.
12 posted on 05/01/2008 6:16:11 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: neverdem

“loose” an election. That ended it for me. It’s petty, I know.


13 posted on 05/01/2008 6:18:48 PM PDT by Space Moose
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To: neverdem

ping in my crosshairs


14 posted on 05/01/2008 7:49:15 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: neverdem

Squeeeeeeeeze the trigger. Don’t jerk it.


16 posted on 05/02/2008 5:44:42 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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The Second Amendment - Commentaries
19 posted on 05/02/2008 8:07:14 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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