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Petition Seeks to Remove Denton Confederate Statue
WFAA TV ^ | 4/28/08 | Debbie Denmon

Posted on 04/30/2008 9:12:42 PM PDT by BnBlFlag

Petition Seeks to Remove Denton Confederate Statue(Denton County, Texas)DENTON - While to some the statue of a Confederate soldier that stands before the Denton County Courthouse represents a piece of history, others say they believe it just represents hypocrisy. That stand has incited two University of North Texas students to start a petition for the removal of the historical landmark, a statue of a Confederate soldier holding his gun to represent the South in the Civil War. "It's really very frustrating that so many people would look at this and clap," said Aron Duhon, one of the students behind the petition. Duhon said the statue, with its two separate fountains, is a standing ovation to racism. The two fountains were originally made separate for whites and blacks. "A confederate soldier who took up arms in defense of a regime based on slavery is the farthest thing from a hero possible," Duhon said. The word "HERO" was etched in the memorial nearly 90 years ago. "We live in a diverse population," said Jason V. Waite, another student behind the petition. "We have the University of North Texas here. We have lots of foreign students, lots of commuters and this only puts a damper on entrepreneurial interests in Denton." Denton County Judge Mary Horn said the students' petition is the third time the confederate statue issue has caught the attention of the commissioners court. "We did take it up with the Texas Historical Commission and their feeling is it is part of history and it does need to stay," Horn said. There are those who agree. "When I see a Confederate soldier memorial, I got to stop to have a picture of that," said Sandy Kolls, a self-professed historical buff. Kolls came across the statue while visiting Texas from Illinois. "I'm a northerner and I honor the soldiers who fought for the Confederacy, okay?" she said of the statue. "So, I get a good feeling." There are also others who disagree. "I believe it represents hatred," said Coby Williams. "That's just like having, I guess, like a slave owner with a whip," agreed Leah Herford. The UNT students say they will collect signatures now and throughout the summer to try to convince the Texas Historical Commission to remove the statue. In the past, the Commission has stood firm on keeping the memorial standing on public ground. E-mail ddenmon@wfaa.com Print this story Email this story


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: confederacy; confederate; confederatehistory; dixie; purge; southernheritage; texas
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To: Non-Sequitur

Hear Hear.

We’re having NS redemption day!

;>)


81 posted on 05/01/2008 8:36:05 AM PDT by wardaddy (Wright offers church for blacks who can't quite stomach Islam)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Why not? If they choose to do so then why should it bother you?

Damn, that three times in the last month we've actually agreed on something! I must be slipping... (smile)

82 posted on 05/01/2008 9:07:47 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: BnBlFlag
"That's just like having, I guess, like a slave owner with a whip," agreed Leah Herford.

You guess wrong, Leah.

I suppose a level of thought nuanced enough to distinguish between the manipulators and the manipulated is beyond the "education" level of too many college "students" today.

83 posted on 05/01/2008 10:50:46 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: wardaddy

My Maternal Grandfather was from NOLA (Born in the 1890’s). Every summer, my Mother, as a child would visit family there. They owned a couple of drug stores and lived in the French Quarter. Had summer homes in Bay St. Louis and also in Mandeville. Before AC anybody that could got the Hell out of town because of the oppressive summer heat.
Her parents would put her on the train in Lake Charles and the Kinfolks would pick her up in N.O. She said it was quite an adventure.


84 posted on 05/01/2008 10:51:54 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Non-Sequitur

They are not putting the statues in their backyard bub, they have them on the public square and part of the public wants them gone.

I ask you again: Why should the public honor the Confederacy?


85 posted on 05/01/2008 11:12:20 AM PDT by ArizonaJosie
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To: smileyda

Sorry, not buying it, heroism in the defense of slavery is not heroism.

Should we honor dead Al Qaeda terrorists because they fought bravely and believed in their cause?

Game, set, MATCH!


86 posted on 05/01/2008 11:15:19 AM PDT by ArizonaJosie
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To: ArizonaJosie
They are not putting the statues in their backyard bub, they have them on the public square and part of the public wants them gone.

What if most of the public wants them to stay?

I ask you again: Why should the public honor the Confederacy?

Because tearing down the statues won't make it go away.

87 posted on 05/01/2008 11:21:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: wardaddy
Thank you, thank you, thank you for that WONDERFUL review! I so glad that you and your family had such a nice time here. Sounds as though you made quite a time of it.

I hope the weather was nice and you didn't run into any rain. The Jazz Fest had its first weekend last week and they were swimming almost swimming out there at the Fair Grounds. They were actually squeegeeing Billy Joel's piano while he played and sang, but the die hard music fans just sat in the puddles and continued to party. I guess they thought, "We've been through worse"

Here's a picture of the crowd the next day listening to Al Green

88 posted on 05/01/2008 11:39:46 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why should there be statues of the Confederacy? What is there to honor? Just right from your own mouth


89 posted on 05/01/2008 1:12:29 PM PDT by ArizonaJosie
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To: ArizonaJosie
Why should there be statues of the Confederacy? What is there to honor? Just right from your own mouth

Because people down there want to remember it and want a memorial to it. And since I don't live there and don't feel the least bit threatened or insulted by their actions I support their right to do what they want.

90 posted on 05/01/2008 1:18:26 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

They were bought by slave-dealers, and sold to colonists, and anyone else who would by them. The point is - there was slavery before ‘the South’, and there was/is slavery after. And all slaves were not black.


91 posted on 05/01/2008 1:45:15 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: ArizonaJosie

Because they were Americans that fought for their beliefs. Most of the Confederates didn’t care one way or the other about slavery (same as the Union soldiers), just that their country was invaded by the Union.

It is a very sad thing that there were so many radicals on both sides that forced a war.

Should you ever be under the impression that there was a real winner of that war, think again.


92 posted on 05/01/2008 1:47:14 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Travis McGee
As a thought experiment, let's posit that in 100 years, the entire world has gone vegetarian by culture and by law. It saves lives because it's a more efficient use of resources, we don't kill animals any more because it's barbaric and unnecessary, and so on.

So in 100 years, if that generation decides to tear down all of the monuments of long-dead meat-eating “animal murderers,” would you approve of that? No more MLK boulevards, because Doctor King, who may have done some good things, was an animal murderer and meat eater!

And what's worse -- they don't even teach kids in the schools about those horrible meat-eater vs. vegetarian wars of the 1960s!

I had cousins who were torn apart by turnips and cantaloupes!

And an uncle had to flee to Canada to get away from the cucumbers!

Thanks Dr. King!

93 posted on 05/01/2008 2:04:43 PM PDT by x
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To: ArizonaJosie
So, because the South was wrong, all traces of the South's fight should be obliterated?

As I stated before, many in the South (who didn't own slaves) were upset because the North (which brought the slaves in and got rich off selling them) was now telling the South what to do with them.

In addition, they highly resented being told by the fed govt. what to do because many/most back then considered the union to be for mutual protection and considered state's rights supreme.

For many slave owner's, it was economically impossible to free their slaves. They were chattel and in many cases were mortgaged, like other property, to pay the bills in bad agricultural years. That didn't make it right, but it made it a highly volatile situation.

Why don't some of you southern history revisionists spend a little of your time fighting modern day slavery, which exists all over Africa, Asia and the Middle east. The slaves here have long been emancipated; and the irony of it is that most of their descendants are much better off than the descendants of those Africans not transported.

Leave our history and memorials alone. The South has paid, and paid, and paid.

Carpetbaggers, go home or shut up---or BOTH!

vadine

94 posted on 05/01/2008 3:20:57 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: Travis McGee; ArizonaJosie
Excellent point!


"So in 100 years, if that generation decides to tear down all of the monuments of long-dead meat-eating “animal murderers,” would you approve of that? No more MLK boulevards, because Doctor King, who may have done some good things, was an animal murderer and meat eater!"


Add smokers to that, and there won't be one monument left as testament to our history.

I see you haven't received a reply addressing your question.

95 posted on 05/01/2008 4:27:58 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Operation Chaos has resumed...)
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To: wardaddy

Wonderful post, wardaddy!

I feel the same way, though I can’t express it as well as you do.

Thank you for posting your thoughts.


96 posted on 05/01/2008 4:51:36 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Operation Chaos has resumed...)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I am loyal to the Union. What are you loyal to?


97 posted on 05/01/2008 5:04:05 PM PDT by ArizonaJosie
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To: ArizonaJosie; x; BnBlFlag; wardaddy; Jonah Hex; lentulusgracchus; stand watie; 4CJ; ...
I am loyal to the Union. What are you loyal to?

Gee, I'm surprised you even need to ask. Let me get some people to speak for me.

Guys? Which side do I always support? Union or confederate?

98 posted on 05/01/2008 5:36:31 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: vetvetdoug
make that DIMocRATS & i'll agree.

free dixie,sw

99 posted on 05/01/2008 5:59:48 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: ArizonaJosie
"Why honor the Confederates?" ===> why because they were decent, God-fearing, HONORABLE warriors and because they were the FREEDOM FIGHTERS.

that's why.

free dixie,sw

100 posted on 05/01/2008 6:05:09 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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