Posted on 04/30/2008 9:12:42 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
Petition Seeks to Remove Denton Confederate Statue(Denton County, Texas)DENTON - While to some the statue of a Confederate soldier that stands before the Denton County Courthouse represents a piece of history, others say they believe it just represents hypocrisy. That stand has incited two University of North Texas students to start a petition for the removal of the historical landmark, a statue of a Confederate soldier holding his gun to represent the South in the Civil War. "It's really very frustrating that so many people would look at this and clap," said Aron Duhon, one of the students behind the petition. Duhon said the statue, with its two separate fountains, is a standing ovation to racism. The two fountains were originally made separate for whites and blacks. "A confederate soldier who took up arms in defense of a regime based on slavery is the farthest thing from a hero possible," Duhon said. The word "HERO" was etched in the memorial nearly 90 years ago. "We live in a diverse population," said Jason V. Waite, another student behind the petition. "We have the University of North Texas here. We have lots of foreign students, lots of commuters and this only puts a damper on entrepreneurial interests in Denton." Denton County Judge Mary Horn said the students' petition is the third time the confederate statue issue has caught the attention of the commissioners court. "We did take it up with the Texas Historical Commission and their feeling is it is part of history and it does need to stay," Horn said. There are those who agree. "When I see a Confederate soldier memorial, I got to stop to have a picture of that," said Sandy Kolls, a self-professed historical buff. Kolls came across the statue while visiting Texas from Illinois. "I'm a northerner and I honor the soldiers who fought for the Confederacy, okay?" she said of the statue. "So, I get a good feeling." There are also others who disagree. "I believe it represents hatred," said Coby Williams. "That's just like having, I guess, like a slave owner with a whip," agreed Leah Herford. The UNT students say they will collect signatures now and throughout the summer to try to convince the Texas Historical Commission to remove the statue. In the past, the Commission has stood firm on keeping the memorial standing on public ground. E-mail ddenmon@wfaa.com Print this story Email this story
Well, let me go on the record right now, Comrade duckspeaker. I bellyfeel doubleplusgood prolefeed. I bellyfeel NewThink. Long live Oceania! Long live Ingsoc!
[You, showing your ass] The[y] rebelled against their government.
Oh, really?
Then their government was sovereign over the People, then?
In your perfervid, power-mad Lincolnian construction, that is.
Before we're done, you'll concede that your POV is, indeed, Soviet.
You just so much fun. So in your Southron world there is no government? Anarchy reigns supreme?
get over that you seem to "know NOT & know NOT that you know NOT"???
pardon me, but your posts are evidently UNknowing/SILLY/based on NOTHING. (otoh, you COULD be a TROLL.)
free dixie,sw
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
obviously "josie" is either a TROLL or an EMPTY-head.
otoh, she/he/it will fit in nicely as a new member of "the DAMNyankee coven of lunatics, FOOLS, nitwits, BIGOTS, antisemites,LEFTISTS, "useful idiots" & HATERS" that infest these WBTS threads.
to AZ Josie, you REALLY should go on your knees to N-S, as he is the LEADER of the DAMNyankees AND is "The Minister of DAMNyankee PROPAGANDA". ask him for your very own "secret squirrel number", secret handclasp & recognition signal. then you TOO can be a member in good-standing of "the clue-LESS coven".
free dixie,sw
Best post I’ve seen on FR. Hat tip to wardaddy.
free dixie,sw
Uh... Union?
Have you seen this?
Civil War Cannonball Kills Virginia Relic Collector
I guess the past is never really dead or even past ...
Does swattie have an alibi for this?
So in 100 years, if that generation decides to tear down all of the monuments of long-dead meat-eating “animal murderers,” would you approve of that? No more MLK boulevards, because Doctor King, who may have done some good things, was an animal murderer and meat eater!
I think people were stupified by it, because in truth it is pretty stupid.
Some would call it offensive as well, but it's the sort of thing we come up with in high school and try to forget afterwards.
King was only incidentally a meat-eater. He wasn't making a cause out of it.
We honor slaveowners like Washington and Jefferson because they were incidentally slave owners and make a great cause out of slavery.
You could say the same for Aristotle or Moses. They weren't fighting for slavery against freedom, they simply accepted the conditions of their day.
But we'd have problems honoring Davis or Toombs or Wigfall or Ruffin or Rhett or Yancey, because they were passionate supporters of slavery when it was called into question. They also got up a war against our country, and it's rare for nations to honor people who do that sort of thing.
If this is just a generic statue of a Confederate soldier, I wouldn't have any objection to it. I don't know what this or that particular Confederate soldier would have thought he was fighting for or asked to die for.
But I can understand it if someone's revulsion at slavery led them to oppose a wide range of Confederate symbols. That's something local people will have to sort out for themselves.
Anyway, I doubt King or anyone else in his day was willing to go to war for meat-eating or to impose it on other people.
If cows, pigs, and chickens ever do learn to talk, though, all bets are off.
Do you think that most Southerners fought to defend slavery?
;o)
smiley placemarker
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
that post is about HALF-smart & everyone here KNOWS that you're out of your intellectual depth in a mud puddle. (btw, have you noticed that only those who make fun of you will post TO you??? there's a reason for that.)
free dixie,sw
such people are called south-HATERS & "useful idiots".
free dixie,sw
in addition, i don't care WHAT he thinks/feels/posts, as long as it's at least "PG-rated".
as a direct result of his continual spewing of FILTH out onto this forum, at least 6 LADIES, who used to post on these threads, have left the WBTS threads, probably permanently. (my beloved "duckie" is one of them.)
free dixie,sw
How’s that whole living in denial thing going for ya swattie?
What I said was:
If this is just a generic statue of a Confederate soldier, I wouldn't have any objection to it. I don't know what this or that particular Confederate soldier would have thought he was fighting for or asked to die for.
I've no objection to honoring one's heritage and the bravery of one's ancestors, but I can understand it if someone's dislike for slavery led them to question or oppose such monuments. It would be hard to deny that the protection of slavery was a major region for secession.
But back to your example. King learned from Gandhi, who was a well-known vegetarian. Making people aware of Gandhi's teaching meant calling attention to vegetarianism. And this alone would make vegetarians well disposed towards King. So why would vegetarians object to a monument to King or a street named after him?
More to the point, your analogy may backfire on you, because it's further from how things were than a lot of other examples that would hurt your cause.
In the 1850s, you could read accounts of slavery by freedmen or hear lectures by runaways -- not in the slave states of course, where such things were banned, but certainly if you visited the free states. So the debate over slavery went far beyond any debate over vegetarianism today, and will until cows, pigs, and chickens can speak and write.
You could make a better comparison of antebellum slavery to Darfur or Tibet or a lot of other instances of oppression of people in the world today and in the past. I don't say that those comparisons would be entirely accurate or fair, just that they'd be closer and more fitting then your analogy.
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